rapid rich Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 At the Great British shooting show this past weekend I spotted one of the long awaited 17wsm's . Cheshire Gun Room had it there. It was a Savage. They are expecting the ammo to arrive in the next 2 weeks priced at £22/£24 per 50. So will there be a market for these or is it another fad??? Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I honestly think Winchester are nuts. The idea is sound but they should of done a 22 and a 25 version in stead. The hmr is to established and 17 h beats it too. I would of loved to of seen a .25"/50+grn bullet doing 2000+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Are Edgar Bros still the Savage Importers/distributors as I can't find any mention of the WSM on their website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 The idea is sound but they should of done a 22 and a 25 version in stead. Agree.....A 5mm Rem resurrected would have been better than another 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I saw it too.it's a rare one lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) The final nail in the hmr's coffin. Ammo price sounds good if you wanted extra clout but didn't fancy going c/f and reloading, although had there not been problems with reliability in the states? Edited February 16, 2016 by the enigma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 The WSM nail gun is well and truly nailed before it's even out of the traps......by the .17 hornet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verminator 66 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I honestly think Winchester are nuts. The idea is sound but they should of done a 22 and a 25 version in stead. The hmr is to established and 17 h beats it too. I would of loved to of seen a .25"/50+grn bullet doing 2000+ now that would be a nice round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 The WSM nail gun is well and truly nailed before it's even out of the traps......by the .17 hornet. Why? It has different speed, energy and allegedly much better price differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoz82 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 The final nail in the hmr's coffin. Errrrrrrrrrm no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I for one hope it takes off and that ammo prices come down. I had a HMR and really liked it, but got rid of it as i was concerned over the safety having seen so many go pop with bad ammo. I spoke to a rep on the Hornaday stand at the shooting show on sunday and am affraid he failed to reasure me sufficiently to pick a HMR up again. Also with the .17 WSM you dont have reloading to worry about. ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 In .20 cal it would have been nice, probably better speed over the hmr and a heavier bullet, better for wind, more capable on larger varmint As a 17 I think it'll have a hard time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Why? It has different speed, energy and allegedly much better price differences. In the scale of things I reckon it's pretty close but obviously the centerfire has superior ballistics. Much depends on what bullet goes in to the hornet. http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/ballistics/2016-Standard-Ballistics.pdf Quoted prices in this thread for WSM £22/£24 per 50. Say £23 for 50 is 46p a round. A lot of folk are saying they can reload .17 hornet for less than that once they have acquired the brass. Have I got this right Dekers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 The final nail in the hmr's coffin. Errrrrrrrrrm no That was my lame attempt at sarcasm. We really need a tongue in cheek smiley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 In .20 cal it would have been nice, probably better speed over the hmr and a heavier bullet, better for wind, more capable on larger varmint As a 17 I think it'll have a hard time Good point so I just ran a 32g V Max with a MV c2370 (the 400 ft/lb) through the Infinity Suite and was a little surprised to find that the 25g .172" V Max at the 400 had it beat on all counts. For me personally, I think it's a shame that we can't get our sticky little fingers on them here to get an idea of what's what. Like anyone else that has shot the same ground for some 30 years, I know what pops up where. As I never need to shoot beyond 200 yards, the Hornet suits admirably, but many foxes are shot between the 75 and 150 yard marks. With a point blank range of + or - 0.5" between 35 and 150 yards and with some 250 ft/lb at the latter, I think I could make a case for having one in the cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 In the scale of things I reckon it's pretty close but obviously the centerfire has superior ballistics. Much depends on what bullet goes in to the hornet. http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/ballistics/2016-Standard-Ballistics.pdf Quoted prices in this thread for WSM £22/£24 per 50. Say £23 for 50 is 46p a round. A lot of folk are saying they can reload .17 hornet for less than that once they have acquired the brass. Have I got this right Dekers? Yes, you can do 17 hornet for about 40p a round last I checked. Powder is about £40 a pound and you get 550 rounds from a pound of powder. Primers are another 3-4 pence. Bullets are roughly £25 a hundred. That puts you around 38p I think. With a couple deals on powder and bullets you can be as cheap as hmr rounds. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euget123 Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 33p a bang(not counting the price of brass) my hornet is working out at the minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yes, you can do 17 hornet for about 40p a round last I checked. Powder is about £40 a pound and you get 550 rounds from a pound of powder. Primers are another 3-4 pence. Bullets are roughly £25 a hundred. That puts you around 38p I think. With a couple deals on powder and bullets you can be as cheap as hmr rounds. Rick Cheers Rick, very informative. It's not as simple as 'per bang' either, you have to figure in likelyhood of misfires and shot success rate. Also, don't forget that in a fast fire situation, the brass might get mislaid. Many factors are to figure in, not just component cost but Time reloading too. It's very dependant on exact shooting procedures. fister do you have an opinion as to the success or failure of the WSM in Britain and Europe? Will it take off? I can't see it personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew f Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Going to the same place as the 223 wssm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old06 Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Going to the same place as the 223 wssm Yes we have a winner I can't say about over there but here it's a flop along with the WSSM's they are trying to create there own market the used gun racks are seeing several for low prices seen a 25 WSSM Winchester m 70 for 399 usd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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