fortune Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Is there generally a problem with the Hatsan escort not loading 65mm cartridges? Son in law used one and said that it loaded everything that was thrown at it 67.5 70 and 75 but that it didn’t load 65 mm shells of any loading or make. Is this a common thing or is there some remedy to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 On occasion I`ve shot Hull Comp x 21gm through mine (which I believe are 65mm). It doesn`t always cycle them but I`ve never had a problem loading them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 A lot of auto's do not feed 65mm well , stick to 70mm and it should be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 yes, mines likes 70mm nothing shorter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 yes, mines likes 70mm nothing shorter. Were they designed by a woman then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Were they designed by a woman then ? yes, in turkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Who are the importers of Hatsan? Is this a problem with the gas system ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Who are the importers of Hatsan? Is this a problem with the gas system ? Edgar Brothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 There's just not enough oomph in some light loads to cycle a semi auto, my hatstand (gen 2) cycles just about anything but stick in a 65mm and it gives up the ghost.......buy a pump, problem solved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) Who are the importers of Hatsan? Is this a problem with the gas system ? No, it's a problem with people using 65mm cartridges in a gun that was designed (and says in the specifications) to use 70mm and longer Edited February 16, 2016 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted February 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 No, it's a problem with people using 65mm cartridges in a gun that was designed (and says in the specifications) to use 70mm and longer When we find a problem, we look for a solution. If the action will cycle ok if two cartridges are used. one in the chamber and one from the mag, then why not the second cartridge out of the mag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Not so sure its lack of oomph as the gas escaping fractionally early due to the shorter hull length creating a blow by a lot earlier than perhaps that of the 70mm cart? Its normally the same load, just a shorter case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 When we find a problem, we look for a solution. If the action will cycle ok if two cartridges are used. one in the chamber and one from the mag, then why not the second cartridge out of the mag? It's only a problem if you don't use it the way it was designed to be used, with cartridges that are 70mm and above. You wouldn't buy a diesel car and wonder why it didn't work if you filled it with petrol would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) It's only a problem if you don't use it the way it was designed to be used, with cartridges that are 70mm and above. You wouldn't buy a diesel car and wonder why it didn't work if you filled it with petrol would you? Some on here would unfortunately! Edited February 17, 2016 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Some on here would undortunately! Yup . . . I mean some people even try and replace an "f" with a "d" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 You took your time posting that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 You took your time posting that! lol yup. Hit "Quote" and then got distracted by something else. Nice attempted save though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted February 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 It's only a problem if you don't use it the way it was designed to be used, with cartridges that are 70mm and above. You wouldn't buy a diesel car and wonder why it didn't work if you filled it with petrol would you? Not quite the same issue. were not trying to feed it something different to than which it will work with. If it will cycle one cartridge then why not two or as many as it could be fed with. it will cycle 65 all day long but only the first one out of the mag. it's not that it wont do it. The thing will cycle everything from 67 up to 75 all day but it is on the boundary with 65 but it does do it in certain parameters. we just got to work out why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Is this really so hard to grasp? it won't cycle 65mm cartridges properly because it wasn't designed to do so in the first place, the fact it manages to work with only 1 in the mag tube is completely irrelevant. It's simply not designed or meant to be used with cartridges under 70mm, doing so can and indeed does cause the mechanism problems, just use a cartridge of the correct length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 most guns are designed with set standard specifications, 70mm is a standard. did you know that 2.5" cartridges are not popular worldwide. 70mm is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trippyhippy Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 I was told when I got mine that it might have trouble with the 67mm cartridges if I had 2 in the magazine as it might try to get 2 at once and jam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njb73 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 My Old man has had this problem for years with a Browning silver... Fantastic gun, but less than 67mm shells and forget it.... Its to do with the length ...yes..that extra couple of mm when its pushed up allows it to free slide into the chamber.... the shorter shells when pushed move slightly out and get caught on the edge.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Not quite the same issue. were not trying to feed it something different to than which it will work with. If it will cycle one cartridge then why not two or as many as it could be fed with. it will cycle 65 all day long but only the first one out of the mag. it's not that it wont do it. The thing will cycle everything from 67 up to 75 all day but it is on the boundary with 65 but it does do it in certain parameters. we just got to work out why. I'm also a bit confused why you are under the impression that this is a problem - the gun doesn't like 65mm shells and it is recommended that you don't use them. So why are you trying to find a solution? I can't tell you why it doesn't like them. It could be something to do with exhaust gas or maybe the loading mechanism struggles with shorter cartridges. You could always ask the Edgar Bros armourer. Apparently they can be quite helpful. Either way - they don't work well with 65mm shells. But we know that. It's not a fault - it's just how they are designed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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