Spewy Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Looking for advice Me and my son who is 15 have our Certs We are going to decoy crows and shoot from a hide I will be having a few lessons at the clay ground first. Thinking of one shotgun o/u between us in the hide which will also leave my son doing most of the shooting ok maybe 60% Budget £1k So one o/u Or a semi auto Do you guys use 2 guns in a hide ? Best just one? Thanks Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 No reason not to have two guns in the hide but I'd suggest only one is shooting at a time. That way you can get guns that fit and remain safe. You can easily get two guns for that budget especially I'd hide guns that will get knocked about a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spewy Posted April 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 I'm a lefty my son right hand so we were looking at a straight stock gun to suit both There was a s/h miroku and a B525 that felt good but the gunroom is kind enough to let me try a few s/h guns at there clay ground one night I'm home to see what suits me best and hopefully my son aswell.yes 2 guns would be better but there wasn't much around at the £500 mark Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 You wont get a gun that suits you both, you will just end up with one that neither of you can hit any thing with! Go for a gun each. Two guns in a hide is ok as long as you are strict with safety, as you and your son get more experience it will become second nature. my son is a lefty and I'm right handed, he won't walk on my left and i don't walk on his right even walking down the street because I carry a gun pointing left and he carries one pointing right, I didn't even notice it until my mrs pointed it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spewy Posted April 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Thanks for info My local gunroom never had any left hand stocks but had a few straight ones which shouldered well There's a lanber sporter lefthand stock for sale but I'm not sure ordering my first shotgun is the way to go.my sons 16 next month so maybe I'll get him one better than a Xbox haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 500 is a lot for a first hide gun, you should be spoilt for choice really regardless of wanting a left handed one as well. Shop about or even go and see wabbitbosher from here. Youd have change in your pockets for cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 One gun each but taking it in turns to shoot is the way to go , especially as you are both going to be new to it. It would be all too easy for excitement to take over and then a accident could happen. I will happily shoot two in a hide with experienced guns but not with a new shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spewy Posted April 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Safety is first whether we are out with airguns or our 22lrs Wabbitbosher? Take it he is a rfd on here? Thanks for input everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Semi autos have no cast but one of you is going to see spent cases ejecting right across your vision, but a left handed shooter I know says it doesn't bother him at all. They have the advantage over an ou in a hide, in that they can be loaded while still pointing at the sky. Saying that, a friend just bought a left handed Franchi Alcione One ou for £750 new, for his wife, but all of us right handers were merrily breaking clays with it too, so maybe it's worth a gander with a view to sharing. Good gun, well made and nicely balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 i,m with fenboy ive been shootin over 50 years no problem with two experienced guns in one hide,,,but for you 1 gun each and take it in turns to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 I've just been reading a review of the Franchi Affinity semi auto in Sporting Shooter mag and it sounds like a lot of gun for the RRP of £670 and I bet you can find them for near the £500 mark? Sounds like a cross between a Beretta and Benelli which has to be pretty good. Another review here: http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/franchi-affinity-2 An O/U is generally better for teaching you safety but if you're mainly shooting in a hide you might be better off with a semi auto so you can reload them with the barrels pointing up. Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 If you are a beginner you need to really think out how you are going to operate in the hide. it is a potentially dangerous thing and many people have shot sons, dads or mates in a hide by silly mistakes that happen in an instant. A couple of years ago a dad shot his son in the head at point blank when the dad swung over the son who was bending down getting cartridges and suddenly stood up. A very tragic accident that will have left untold misery to the dad and the family. think it through and have hide rigorous hide discipline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny thomas Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 I'm left handed and shoot a right handed semi I find it fiddly loading left handed I shoot well enough with it I have tried my son's ou which is rh and couldn't hit a barn door £500 is plenty for a good gun franchi affinity is around that price as is a new biakel (spelling) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 I've just been reading a review of the Franchi Affinity semi auto in Sporting Shooter mag and it sounds like a lot of gun for the RRP of £670 and I bet you can find them for near the £500 mark? Sounds like a cross between a Beretta and Benelli which has to be pretty good. Another review here: http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/franchi-affinity-2 An O/U is generally better for teaching you safety but if you're mainly shooting in a hide you might be better off with a semi auto so you can reload them with the barrels pointing up. Chris. I cannot see why you would think that , gun safety is gun safety and the same principals apply to what ever you are using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 I'm a lefty my son right hand so we were looking at a straight stock gun to suit both There was a s/h miroku and a B525 that felt good but the gunroom is kind enough to let me try a few s/h guns at there clay ground one night I'm home to see what suits me best and hopefully my son aswell.yes 2 guns would be better but there wasn't much around at the £500 mark Stewart are we talking glenluce gunroom here. my local shoot . get on well with stewart . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotguneddy Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Been 2 gun hide shooting for 10 years no problems. Howe er someone pointed out that ur budgets probably to much for a first gun wen I started i bought a 250£ aya side by side number 3. Full choke and 3/4 perfect fit and haven't fired another gun since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spewy Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Yes John glenluce gunroom he has been very good with me and my son I agree with everyone about safety Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 PM wabbitbosher ..he wont sell you a duff one or 2....and they will be pretty tidy...good price too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 One gun each but taking it in turns to shoot is the way to go , especially as you are both going to be new to it. It would be all too easy for excitement to take over and then a accident could happen. I will happily shoot two in a hide with experienced guns but not with a new shooter. agree here.if you are both new at it 1 gun shooting only in 1 hide.If you are happy your son knows his safety etc then 2 hides best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 You know your son, but at 15 he is old enough to understand rules. Shoot one at a time, you can have a seating rule, where the person stands to shoot and the other person can only stand once other is seated back down. Excitement can play a part in accidents happening, only you can judge how safe you both are. You can even go a stage further to start with where only the shooters gun is loaded. Apply rules, most are common sense, adhere to them without question and you will enjoy this great sport with your son. My advice would be two guns, if he's a leftie and you right handed, then even semi auto's are fine for both of you and spent cartridges will never fly at each other providing you stand on the correct side. Auto's are in my opinion the perfect gun for the hide, but that comes down to preference. Your budget is healthy and no reason why you can't get two good guns. Cos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Lots of good information to absorb. SAFETY is clearly the key. As had been said, to start with ONLY one of you is loaded at any time (assuming you have 2 guns) I would suggest just one to start with anyway - if the non-shooter effectively stands behind the person shooting, a) you get a good idea of what is going on, and b) it's a lot safer. As you are left and right handed you should both be happy staying on your side of the hide. I shoot with my mate and as I'm LH I stay on the right and shoot straight and right side only, he does the opposite. We can and do shoot at the same time but that is down to a lot of experience and awareness of what is going on around you. Possibly say initially only take shots `in front` so you avoid potentially swinging through your partners air space (or head). It is very easy to underestimate the amount of `excitement` when you are quite new and there is a lot going on! GUNS - you have a good budget to buy at least 2 reasonable guns. As has been said, try not to go for anything too posh as you will (whether you like it or not) end up getting little marks on the gun, mud, blood and so on. It's soul destroying when you do it to a nice tidy gun. If you wanted to start with just one, then a Lanber (or similar) would be an option. My RH mate has one and I shoot it LH just fine - a nice straight stock. Decent reliable guns and ideal for hide shooting. I have a Franchi Harrier which is straight stocked and as a lefty it suits me just fine. Both guns are 28" barrels with multi-choke. I would INSIST that you get a gun with AUTO-SAFETY if getting an O/U (sadly not an option with any semi-auto's that I know of). The Lanber was £350 s/h from someone at the clay club and the Franchi was £550 (I think) from local gun shop. If you both get on well and like it, then you could maybe go for a semi-auto - a bit harder when you are LH and RH. I have a Hatsan `synthetic` (black plastic!) - only about £400 new and mine is LH specific (got it s/h for £275). My mate has a matching gun in RH. Ideal for any type of rough shooting, no wood to get wet, no fuss if they get bumped a bit and pretty easy to strip and clean. Hatsan's are a bit Marmite but there are other brands. So - you could (theoretically) get: Lanber c.£400 Or Franchi c.£600 ...and still have change for a semi-auto. Also - is your lad happy with a 12g? I grew up with a 20b and my mate has one that he just shoots so well with. A lot of fun to shoot as well. 12g doesn't suit everyone. Plenty to think about! You're just setting out so take it nice and easy, ask lots of questions etc. Also - you'll need to know your field craft as crows are ******* to decoy but it's a lot of fun! Good luck with it all and stay safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spewy Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Thanks for taking time to give me good advice I'm home the end of the month so plenty time to make a decision Thanks again Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spewy Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 No one mentioned Revo shotguns? Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 No one mentioned Revo shotguns? Stewart Was that the camo o/u in stewarts. It has a nice feel about it. If i can be of any help give me a shout. I have a key for the clayground and my own dongle for the traps at the clayground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spewy Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Thanks John, He was doing work when I was home to the clay ground Next time I'm home (26th) he has kindly offered me and my son to go at 5.30 one night to have a lesson and try different s/h shotguns to see what suits us best and what fits which I think was a great offer as I was walking round stroking shotguns with no idea of what to buy Would be good if your going there for a practice and me and my son could get some tips if that's ok Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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