hospitals...

[Lord Geordie]

Hi. Was knocked of my bike on a Tuesday evening and taken to Norwich hospital ,had X-ray and was told I had a very slight fracture on my pelvis,would not need treatment and I could go home in the morning,by Wednesday morning I was screaming with pain and begging for pain relief,doctors came and had a chat and said as I'm in pain they will put me in the scanner when they could fit me in.was eventually given Morphine probabily just to shut me up,what annoyed me the most was the attitude of the nurses basically told me to man up,

Got the scan on Friday morning,wow what a transformation,was immediately given gas and air,intravenous pain relief,and was prepped for surgery and wheeled down to theatre at dinner time.six hour surgery and now all all screwed and plated up.

See pic of the scan,how could they miss that on an X-ray?

So not got much confidence in hospitals at the moment.

Man up you wuss! Its just a flesh wound

 

In all seriousness though! What you see in the scan and what they seen in the xray could be due to movement of the break AFTER the initial diagnosis! Still, the excruciating pain should have alerted them there was something not right!

[paul65]

Our first son was stillborn, at full term. Bad enough alone but then we had to go to the registry office to register the death and of course there were lots of happy people there with their new babies and we had to grit our teeth through that. But then the registrar found that the doctor had filled out the death certificate incorrectly so I had to go back to the hospital and sit in the maternity ward for couple of hours while they tried to sort it out. And then back to the registrar again.

Edited April 12, 2016 by paul65

[Wymondley]

Think most of us have experienced shockingly poor treatment by our NHS, still I think it's better than nothing or having like America where if your insurance ain't good enough tough your not coming in. Time our government stopped spending 12 billion on foreign aid and sorted our health care and aid out first.

Spot on!

I owe my life to the NHS, had a serious motorbike accident 30 years ago and spent 6 months in hospital.

The nurses seemed to run everything, and I had the most fantastic care.

 

Had my gallbladder out last month,(took them a year to diagnose) and while I can't fault the care or dedication of the staff, there's just too few nurses.

Everything seems to revolve around admin.

 

There's a lot that needs fixing in the NHS but I'd still rather be treated here than anywhere else.

Edited April 12, 2016 by Wymondley

[Salop Matt]

I have only ever had excellent service from our NHS as has all my immediate family. I was only in A&E last weekend with a damaged face after being head butted twice by the wife’s horse when it kicked off and I dived in to help the horse.

 

A friend how ever had a horse riding accident and was left paralysed in a field. An ambulance crew took her to hospital where she was diagnosed her with a broken wrist and bruising and discharged her having only x-rayed her wrists and arms.
Her husband went nuts that she hadn’t been given an x-ray of her neck and the doctor dismissed his complaint saying he knew what he was doing and didn’t need telling how to do his job.
The husband struggled to get his wife home and after a day or two of her stuck at home worried about her he called a mate who was a physio who also expressed great concern and said he would in turn speak to a consultant surgeon at the hospital he knew....20 min later the husbands phone rings and 8 minutes later there is an ambulance with blue lights outside there house.
The wife was taken into hospital and x-rayed, 4 broken vertebra in her C-spine and damage to her spinal chord revealed after a CT scan. Emergency transfer to a specialist hospital for surgery including metal work to hold her spine together. Apparently the surgeon who the physio called nearly blew a fuse about the initial care/ lack of and had an investigation opened.

Our friend now works for the CQC as she wants to make a change to hospital standards.

[secretagentmole]

My dad's been diabetic all my life (47)and has always done the exact opposite always a touch on the high side he says he's better off running up and down the road like a 5 year old smashed on haribos than in a coma

My grandmother was permanently high blood sugar, cataracts, toe amputation, leg amputation, double leg amputation, not for me!

[shaun4860]

Hi. Was knocked of my bike on a Tuesday evening and taken to Norwich hospital ,had X-ray and was told I had a very slight fracture on my pelvis,would not need treatment and I could go home in the morning,by Wednesday morning I was screaming with pain and begging for pain relief,doctors came and had a chat and said as I'm in pain they will put me in the scanner when they could fit me in.was eventually given Morphine probabily just to shut me up,what annoyed me the most was the attitude of the nurses basically told me to man up,

Got the scan on Friday morning,wow what a transformation,was immediately given gas and air,intravenous pain relief,and was prepped for surgery and wheeled down to theatre at dinner time.six hour surgery and now all all screwed and plated up.

See pic of the scan,how could they miss that on an X-ray?

So not got much confidence in hospitals at the moment.

I would have been more concerned about the fact they didn't notice your legs had fallen off

 

[jam1e]

Went to hospital after a bad car accident with multiple broken bones. After a week of complaining my neck was hurting they finally brought me out of intensive care for an xray only to reveal that I was complaining about my neck because I had actually broke it. A blue light ride to another hospital I had a halo fitted and contracted MRSA. Back to my original hospital and I couldn't eat or talk properly my doctor told my parents they feared I may be brain damaged only to find out again I had broke my jaw in 2 places hence my slurred speech and not eating. I had many more things like this during my 7 months in hospital but at the end of the day they saved my life so who am I to complain.

In your case I would say the end did not justify the means.... NHS. NHS my *****! It's "in the main" beyond repair and not fit for purpose. Sack it off, and drop taxes to pay for private health care.

[jam1e]

Hi. Was knocked of my bike on a Tuesday evening and taken to Norwich hospital ,had X-ray and was told I had a very slight fracture on my pelvis,would not need treatment and I could go home in the morning,by Wednesday morning I was screaming with pain and begging for pain relief,doctors came and had a chat and said as I'm in pain they will put me in the scanner when they could fit me in.was eventually given Morphine probabily just to shut me up,what annoyed me the most was the attitude of the nurses basically told me to man up,

Got the scan on Friday morning,wow what a transformation,was immediately given gas and air,intravenous pain relief,and was prepped for surgery and wheeled down to theatre at dinner time.six hour surgery and now all all screwed and plated up.

See pic of the scan,how could they miss that on an X-ray?

So not got much confidence in hospitals at the moment.

VULTURE They missed it because they have no money, no staff, no compassion, and no beds.

 

I agree, but the lack of compassion is what tainted me with regard to staff. Having spent a lot of time in and out of hospital for a period of 3 years or so, which ended around a year ago. I found they just don't give a **** anymore!

Edited April 12, 2016 by jam1e

[shaun4860]

I went in for a back operation,

 

All went well for a couple of days, arm became infected at venflon site,

 

Docs and so on for antibiotics......they was told I had to go to the hospital, they took bloods and so on and asked if I wanted to go home or stay overnight, so I'm on my way home when the phone goes (I'm a passenger as I had a back op)

 

Could I go back in as I'm dehydrated,

 

Gets admitted, arm (venflon site) getting worse, they didn't re hydrate me , kidneys pack in, heart starts to downhill, taken to HDU, re hydrate me, everything settles down apart from the fact I can't pee, nurse (male) inserts catheta so thats me on the mend I think,

 

6 general anesthetic operations on arm later (within 10 days) they decide they don't know whats wrong with me,

 

Gets transferred to a hospital with a Dermatology dept, who start talking about amputating my arm at the elbow but decide to try me on the treatment I should have been on all along......very high doses of steroids!!!

 

Anyway, arm starts to heal so I still have that.

 

To sum up,

 

I went into hospital for a back operation,

 

Had a total of 8 operations on my arm, nearly lost said arm, had 2 Tendons removed, 1 very painful skin graft, spent 1 week shy of 3 months in hospital of which 9 weeks in a side room on my own because of risk of infection,

Spent the next 9 months as an out patient attending anything from 1-3 day per week, and the next 2 years as a twice a year out patient

 

It's all good folks...it's all good

 

First pic is arm not so good, second pic is healed up but pre graft

 

 

[SpringDon]

Gordon Bennett! I feel ill. Are those white things in the first photo your tendons? I only ask because I've never seen them before as most people wear them on the inside

[jam1e]

Think most of us have experienced shockingly poor treatment by our NHS, still I think it's better than nothing or having like America where if your insurance ain't good enough tough your not coming in. Time our government stopped spending 12 billion on foreign aid and sorted our health care and aid out first.

That is spot on figgy! The trouble with any UK government, is they always want to be "seen" to look like they are helping "save the world" by just throwing "OUR" money in the general direction of the "troubled" country. Always at the expense of those people in the most need in our own country!

And half the time, it's by countries who have problems with starvation. It always puzzles me, how they are so sick and starving, and already have starving kids, yet they can still manage to continue breeding like bloody rabbits! Sex education is what these "rabbits" need, not money! Money that partly just gets syphoned off through corruption anyway. But the government don't care that most goes to corruption, as all they care about, is being able to stand up to the press, and spout off about how great they've been by sending X amount of millions/billions of our money over there to stick a plaster on the problem!

[shaun4860]

Gordon Bennett! I feel ill. Are those white things in the first photo your tendons? I only ask because I've never seen them before as most people wear them on the inside

yes, they are tendons,

 

Apparently they start to die when exposed to oxygen, hence the removal of 2, but they are spare tendons from when we used to live in the trees so my arm functions normally albeit a little tight at times

 

The big white one in the bottom picture has gone and another although I dont know which one.

 

The infection that started it all is called Pyoderma Gangrenosum (spelling), there are some weird and wonderful pictures out there, the worse thing you can do for it is operate on it....

 

[UKPoacher]

I thank God I've moved to France after reading all those horror stories. I know things were bad in the NHS, but never realised it had got like that.

 

Over here everyone in the system, i.e. employed or on benefits gets a basic health cover for their families and the option to take out top up insurance for things like cosmetic dentistry, spectacles and the like. When we first got here we were covered by the S1 for almost two years. After a couple of months we were invited to a free medical check up that covered everything; bloods, urine, cardiac monitor, eyes, teeth, you name it and it was checked. I even got the finger After the check up they send a letter to your GP and mine stated that I had an abnormality detected by the cardiac scan and I also needed some urgent dentistry. The first was a complete surprise, the second was a result of my dodging dentists for over 20 years.

 

I went to see my GP one week to the day after the check up. Three days later I was examined by a heart specialist who declared me fit and well and put the abnormality to my not being wired up right - on the check up before you start! So, 10 days after they found the problem, it was sorted. The €90 cash fee I paid to the specialist came back in the post as a cheque the following week. Why, I don't know?

 

Then I was referred to a dentist and as a result ended up in hospital under general anaesthetic and had two wisdom teeth and two other back teeth removed. I never felt a thing. And I mean nothing, no pain, no discomfort, nothing. Cost me not a penny. In fact I got an €18 refund for whatever reason.

 

A friend who had needed a new hip for a couple of years, but kept putting it off decided to have one fitted. He went to his GP, she referred him to a specialist that same week and the specialist who took out his diary and offered him a date to his choosing from the end of the following week. Over in the UK my sister-in-law has been waiting for a new knee for over two years.

 

The hospitals are immaculately clean and well equipped. The staff are overwhelmingly French nationals and extremely efficient and the cancer care in France is reputedly the best in the world.

[toontastic]

That is spot on figgy! The trouble with any UK government, is they always want to be "seen" to look like they are helping "save the world" by just throwing "OUR" money in the general direction of the "troubled" country. Always at the expense of those people in the most need in our own country!

And half the time, it's by countries who have problems with starvation. It always puzzles me, how they are so sick and starving, and already have starving kids, yet they can still manage to continue breeding like bloody rabbits! Sex education is what these "rabbits" need, not money! Money that partly just gets syphoned off through corruption anyway. But the government don't care that most goes to corruption, as all they care about, is being able to stand up to the press, and spout off about how great they've been by sending X amount of millions/billions of our money over there to stick a plaster on the problem!

Sex education won't help, no matter how much is spent promoting contraception the Catholic Church just threatens them with eternal damnation if they use it.

[winnie&bezza]

I went in for a back operation,

 

All went well for a couple of days, arm became infected at venflon site,

 

Docs and so on for antibiotics......they was told I had to go to the hospital, they took bloods and so on and asked if I wanted to go home or stay overnight, so I'm on my way home when the phone goes (I'm a passenger as I had a back op)

 

Could I go back in as I'm dehydrated,

 

Gets admitted, arm (venflon site) getting worse, they didn't re hydrate me , kidneys pack in, heart starts to downhill, taken to HDU, re hydrate me, everything settles down apart from the fact I can't pee, nurse (male) inserts catheta so thats me on the mend I think,

 

6 general anesthetic operations on arm later (within 10 days) they decide they don't know whats wrong with me,

 

Gets transferred to a hospital with a Dermatology dept, who start talking about amputating my arm at the elbow but decide to try me on the treatment I should have been on all along......very high doses of steroids!!!

 

Anyway, arm starts to heal so I still have that.

 

To sum up,

 

I went into hospital for a back operation,

 

Had a total of 8 operations on my arm, nearly lost said arm, had 2 Tendons removed, 1 very painful skin graft, spent 1 week shy of 3 months in hospital of which 9 weeks in a side room on my own because of risk of infection,

Spent the next 9 months as an out patient attending anything from 1-3 day per week, and the next 2 years as a twice a year out patient

 

It's all good folks...it's all good

 

First pic is arm not so good, second pic is healed up but pre graft

 

 

Jesus! That must of been horrible.

[jam1e]

Sex education won't help, no matter how much is spent promoting contraception the Catholic Church just threatens them with eternal damnation if they use it.

I wonder how the "church/cult" explains that it's better that their children are starving to death is better.... What a ****** up world we live in! A little to simplistic a statement, But If only all religion never existed......

Anther point. Why is so much TV time spent spouting off about foreign people in desperate need. But very little is said about our own people starving, homeless and so on...

Edited April 12, 2016 by jam1e

[shaun4860]

Jesus! That must of been horrible.

I cannot fault the treatment I had at the second hospital, they couldn't do enough for me, even bringing me home made cheese scones on night shift

 

The first and problem hospital,

 

It was arrogance on behalf of the surgeon, he didn't know what was wrong with me and just carried on removing skin,

One of the anethetists eventually suggested transferring me the second hospital,

 

Really annoying thing was that the second hospital held a dermatology clinic in the first one but the surgeon never asked for help

 

[kyska]

I went in for a back operation,

 

All went well for a couple of days, arm became infected at venflon site,

 

Docs and so on for antibiotics......they was told I had to go to the hospital, they took bloods and so on and asked if I wanted to go home or stay overnight, so I'm on my way home when the phone goes (I'm a passenger as I had a back op)

 

Could I go back in as I'm dehydrated,

 

Gets admitted, arm (venflon site) getting worse, they didn't re hydrate me , kidneys pack in, heart starts to downhill, taken to HDU, re hydrate me, everything settles down apart from the fact I can't pee, nurse (male) inserts catheta so thats me on the mend I think,

 

6 general anesthetic operations on arm later (within 10 days) they decide they don't know whats wrong with me,

 

Gets transferred to a hospital with a Dermatology dept, who start talking about amputating my arm at the elbow but decide to try me on the treatment I should have been on all along......very high doses of steroids!!!

 

Anyway, arm starts to heal so I still have that.

 

To sum up,

 

I went into hospital for a back operation,

 

Had a total of 8 operations on my arm, nearly lost said arm, had 2 Tendons removed, 1 very painful skin graft, spent 1 week shy of 3 months in hospital of which 9 weeks in a side room on my own because of risk of infection,

Spent the next 9 months as an out patient attending anything from 1-3 day per week, and the next 2 years as a twice a year out patient

 

It's all good folks...it's all good

 

First pic is arm not so good, second pic is healed up but pre graft

 

 

Out of interest, is the first pic post fasciotomy? That's a big infection, no wonder your kidneys were in denial.

[Velocette]

BUPA all the way for me,,the NHS is not doing what it should any more. After a farce with a surgeon who wanted to remove my thyroid and commit me to a life of metabolic hell simply because no-one had noticed a damaged blood conduit next to it despite me telling them that I noticed a swelling on my neck after a session in the gym doing multiple inclined sit ups,,,I'm out !!

[Medic1281]

BUPA all the way for me,,the NHS is not doing what it should any more. After a farce with a surgeon who wanted to remove my thyroid and commit me to a life of metabolic hell simply because no-one had noticed a damaged blood conduit next to it despite me telling them that I noticed a swelling on my neck after a session in the gym doing multiple inclined sit ups,,,I'm out !!

The daft thing is it's usually the same surgeons working in both nhs and private practice. So you may be seen by the same bloke that missed it.

[Velocette]

True,,,but somehow you feel more able to explain concerns or wishes at a private consultation. For example I felt encouraged when at a recent visit, seeing my hesitation,the consultant produced broad details of his success record performing a particular procedure. Its a different atmosphere .

[kyska]

True,,,but somehow you feel more able to explain concerns or wishes at a private consultation. For example I felt encouraged when at a recent visit, seeing my hesitation,the consultant produced broad details of his success record performing a particular procedure. Its a different atmosphere .

You can ask that of any practitioner, I do agree that private care is a different experience, but we shouldn't knock the skill of NHS staff.

 

I only know the pressures that they can be under, it's no excuse for error, but it's endemic, first line heakth care, well I've said for years to peers that pharmacists are a grossly underestimated commodity, as one of the 4 health proffesionals in the UK they simply aren't exploited enough.

 

I personally think more people should use health insurance, there are many that can afford it but feel they shouldn't have to.

[vole]

Sorry to hear of all the bad experiences of the nhs ,not great from the providor side either . Morale at all time low and you're going to lose all your doctors . Who TF would have foreseen such a unanimous and determined action by Doctors of all people ? Don't worry ,plenty of skilled foreign staff to continue replacing us both in the nhs and private . ps Dont expect too much of Bupa unless all you need is a moob job . I know many who were going to work another 5 or 10 years who are quitting asap including me so your experienced staff are gone. Many reasons inc pay freeze ,workload ,continuous criticism ,worsening shift pattern ,ill heath and crapped on . Also losing our bog and coffee room .

When you are dealing with the aftermath of a failed cardiac arrest covered in blood , measuring fluid loss in the form of diarrhoea into a jug at 0400 knowing the public is behind you makes a difference .That support is now gone . Difference is between feeling you are doing a special and worthwhile job and feeling like a skivvie who could be replaced easily by overseas staff .

In my field of cardiac care you are much more likely to survive and lead a full life compared even to 10 years ago . If you can get a bed which is a major problem at present . That is not our fault . Clock wound back to the early 80s ,hot bedding and people dying on waiting lists .

You voted for these policies . Bye .

[islandgun]

Sorry to hear of all the bad experiences of the nhs ,not great from the providor side either . Morale at all time low and you're going to lose all your doctors . Who TF would have foreseen such a unanimous and determined action by Doctors of all people ? Don't worry ,plenty of skilled foreign staff to continue replacing us both in the nhs and private . ps Dont expect too much of Bupa unless all you need is a moob job . I know many who were going to work another 5 or 10 years who are quitting asap including me so your experienced staff are gone. Many reasons inc pay freeze ,workload ,continuous criticism ,worsening shift pattern ,ill heath and crapped on . Also losing our bog and coffee room .

When you are dealing with the aftermath of a failed cardiac arrest covered in blood , measuring fluid loss in the form of diarrhoea into a jug at 0400 knowing the public is behind you makes a difference .That support is now gone . Difference is between feeling you are doing a special and worthwhile job and feeling like a skivvie who could be replaced easily by overseas staff .

In my field of cardiac care you are much more likely to survive and lead a full life compared even to 10 years ago . If you can get a bed which is a major problem at present . That is not our fault . Clock wound back to the early 80s ,hot bedding and people dying on waiting lists .

You voted for these policies . Bye .

 

 

Im also sorry to hear your views, good luck with whatever you choose to do

[shaun4860]

Out of interest, is the first pic post fasciotomy? That's a big infection, no wonder your kidneys were in denial.

No,

 

They at first it was ulcerating, then they thought it was some sort of flesh eating thing, so they kept cutting it back to good flesh,

 

With Pyoderma you are not supposed to debride it,

 

The first photo was taken by the second hospital on the day of admission, That was when they talked about amputation.

 

The first hospital took no pictures at all, when I was admitted it just looked slightly red and lumpy, if that makes sense, they then hit it with large doses of intravenous anti biotics, when that go nowhere they started to remove flesh as by then it must have looked worse,

 

I never saw my arm from the day I was admitted to halfway through my stay in the second hospital,

 

I wasn't really "there".....