henry d Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 If you are in the 50-70 y.o. age group and whinging about this country, perhaps you are part of the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 If you are in the 50-70 y.o. age group and whinging about this country, perhaps you are part of the problem? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Bring back national service........migrants?......what migrants,they've all gone home. ^^^ This ^^^. All male migrants do at least 3 years on minimum wage, and they serve wherever they're sent, or go home. No benefits for dependants until 3 years is up and they have full time employment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 ^^^ This ^^^. All male migrants do at least 3 years on minimum wage, and they serve wherever they're sent, or go home. No benefits for dependants until 3 years is up and they have full time employment. Does that apply to brain surgeons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Does that apply to brain surgeons? Not what you'd class as a migrant in this context are they really, but even if you did the forces need surgeons at times. By bringing conscription back it would at least prove some form of loyalty to the country you want to reside in and take care of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 If you are in the 50-70 y.o. age group and whinging about this country, perhaps you are part of the problem? Really? I think from memory our problem has been with the self seeking, vacuous Politicians we have had from all parties over the last 50 years has been the problem? Once voted in they destroy any little benefit we have derived from the previous mob and embark on mindless routines of their own while burying their snouts ever deeper in the trough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Not what you'd class as a migrant in this context are they really, but even if you did the forces need surgeons at times. By bringing conscription back it would at least prove some form of loyalty to the country you want to reside in and take care of you. Yep we should have the same system as Australia, we choose who we let in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Yep we should have the same system as Australia, we choose who we let in. +1 to that ,trouble is we haven't perfected the spine transplant yet so we will continue to spiral down the pan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 I agree. There will never be a time like we had. No world wars. Jobs and security, relative affluence and liberalised attitudes. It's all going downhill now. this is my fear , i worry for my children , the country is falling apart. Iam very glad to be in my fifty's with no kids. Because the next generation is going to face major problems. I seriously think we have had the best years. The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was, the present worse than it is, and the future less resolved than it will be. Marcel Pagnol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Yep we should have the same system as Australia, we choose who we let in. The UK does choose who to let in. Other than EU nationals that is. Being part of the EU means that any EU national or someone who has been granted citizenship of an EU country, plus Swiss, Norwegians and soon Turks, can travel and reside within the EU. THAT is the problem. Along with the separate issue of the European Court of Human Rights which basically is a money-go-round for lawyers fighting and stalling any plans to deport foreign criminals and terrorists. So basically the UK can choose who it lets in except the whole damned world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 If you are in the 50-70 y.o. age group and whinging about this country, perhaps you are part of the problem? What a strange comment! I am retired and during my 50 years continuous working life contributed my fair share of tax to the running of the NHS, defence budget and looking after those more unfortunate than myself. Whilst having a degree of sympathy towards migrants from war-torn parts of this world, I am afraid I have very little for economic migrants (or whatever you want to call them). There is no room, and no spare cash to look after them. My son has worked in Canada for the past two years, and had to undergo a rigorous vetting to ensure that there were no native Canadians capable of doing his job. As others have said, we should have the same system here. If convicted of any serious offence any migrant should be booted back to where they have come from. Benefits should be earned, and not treated as a right. I am fiercely defensive of the benefits of living in this country that we have earned through 'blood sweat and tears', and I suppose that I am indeed part of your problem. Unfortunately for yourself I do think that there are perhaps many like myself...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 My son is married to an American. She cant stay here without a visa and she is on her third at about £800 a go. At the next renewal she can get permanent residence but I think she has to pay around £1200. If you follow the system living here seems a lot more difficult than arriving by boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 If you are in the 50-70 y.o. age group and whinging about this country, perhaps you are part of the problem? I take it you're referring to the 'baby boomer' generation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Yes things are working well now.......from Greece and all the thousands that are in camps there........they have after 2 months sent nearly 20 back to Turkey.....its nice to see a plan of action come together,...... I see Austria is rebuilding its Border post with Italy ....I don't think this was reported by the BBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 If you are in the 50-70 y.o. age group and whinging about this country, perhaps you are part of the problem? I apologize for asking such a personal question but would you mind telling us how you voted in the Scottish referendum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 It is reported in the Telegraph that the EU are going to fine member countries (€250,000 per rejected refugee) millions of Euro/pounds for refusing to take in refugees! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 It is reported in the Telegraph that the EU are going to fine member countries (€250,000 per rejected refugee) millions of Euro/pounds for refusing to take in refugees! Bring it on! They will push Belgium France and Holland into exit referendums as quick as blink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) It is reported in the Telegraph that the EU are going to fine member countries (€250,000 per rejected refugee) millions of Euro/pounds for refusing to take in refugees! So they are going to ignore the Dublin Regualtion? OK We will charge them £4,500,000 per refugee they make us take for breaking that legally binding agreement then! Edited May 4, 2016 by secretagentmole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Really? I think from memory our problem has been with the self seeking, vacuous Politicians we have had from all parties over the last 50 years has been the problem? Once voted in they destroy any little benefit we have derived from the previous mob and embark on mindless routines of their own while burying their snouts ever deeper in the trough? Iceland manage their politicians and bankers when they are doing that, did we? I apologize for asking such a personal question but would you mind telling us how you voted in the Scottish referendum? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 No No you wouldn't mind or no to independence ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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