ProGunJohn Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Right guys so I had my interview 2 days ago and got my license today, bloody speedy service!Now, one thing I asked for was a shotgun for practical, I always wrote down shotgun slug cartrdiges.Its probably the only thing he asked about, and I explained how its commonly used in practical.Now far as I am aware the whole interview went excellent and we had a crack on. Now when I look on my license it says under ammunition 12 Bore - 800.I did put 800 like a tool even though I have a SGC >.< So the question is, am I able to purchase slugs then or would it actually say slug cartridges on license? Anyone here actually have them on their license? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Unless I've completely misunderstood this, as you now have a certificate for an FAC rated shotgun, you can purchase/hold up to 800 rounds of any 12 bore cartridge having a pellet count/size which places it in that category. A word with your FEO would clarify it. Unlike your SGC when showing it to purchase cartridges applicable to SGC status, these will be entered on your FAC - I think I'm right in saying. Again, the FEO will clarify, as probably would your RFD. Edit: PS Just noticed and in view of your first sentence: are you sure you're in Durham!? Edited May 20, 2016 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProGunJohn Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Unless I've completely misunderstood this, as you now have a certificate for an FAC rated shotgun, you can purchase/hold up to 800 rounds of any 12 bore cartridge having a pellet count/size which places it in that category. A word with your FEO would clarify it. Unlike your SGC when showing it to purchase cartridges applicable to SGC status, these will be entered on your FAC - I think I'm right in saying. Again, the FEO will clarify, as probably would your RFD. Edit: PS Just noticed and in view of your first sentence: are you sure you're in Durham!? County Durham mate yes haha. Now heres where it gets interesting...I rang up durham constabulary, I got through to a young lady which strangely, she seemed confused about the whole thing as if firearms wasn't her sector (despite her working in the firearms licensing department), she asked me to wait on hold while she got clarification from someone else, I was waiting about 1 minute and she came back to say that it didn't sound like i was covered for slugs. Which I found interesting and surprising as my FEO didn't seem to have a problem with it and surely this would of been explained/rejected. So is it possibly she just made a mistake and no one in the office really knew? Because if you asked me, 12 Bore ammunition on a section 1, sounds like it would cover slugs since its section 1. Im interested to see if anyones license who has them actually says if its a separate slot of not. She said I should post my license back and they would look into it...which I dont like the idea of because I only just got it :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProGunJohn Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 God dammit, I just realised that a suppressor for the .22lr rifle is missing too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel100 Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Pro Gun John', I have had an FAC. Shotgun for a few years. If you have 12 bore ammo on your FAC you are definitely covered for 'slug' cartridges. Simple test, go into your friendly RFD and ask them to put some slug cartridges on your certificate; make sure that you are sitting down when they quote you a price, though! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProGunJohn Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Pro Gun John', I have had an FAC. Shotgun for a few years. If you have 12 bore ammo on your FAC you are definitely covered for 'slug' cartridges. Simple test, go into your friendly RFD and ask them to put some slug cartridges on your certificate; make sure that you are sitting down when they quote you a price, though! Andy Thanks buddy, calmed my nerves a bit As mad as it sounds I thought they were approved and the folk at the licensing department weren't too informed :') Thanks andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Get a mould and cast your own slugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 800 sounds an incredible amount to have been granted,and I'd be worried about the lack of the word slug.Really sounds like they've not dealt with PSG or slug much,i would be wanting the word slug added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Pro Gun John', I have had an FAC. Shotgun for a few years. If you have 12 bore ammo on your FAC you are definitely covered for 'slug' cartridges. Simple test, go into your friendly RFD and ask them to put some slug cartridges on your certificate; make sure that you are sitting down when they quote you a price, though! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProGunJohn Posted May 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 I asked SrSPower, the youtuber and his license actually states 12 Bore Slugs. Whereas mine just states 12 Bore - 800 >:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) This again is the same old make it up as you go along thingy by the departments. As we have covered before, the words may say one thing but it is in the interpretation. You may go into 50 shops and they will sell you slug but you could go into another 50 and they wont sell you slug because the word slug isn't on your cert. Considering that you have 12 g cartridges on you fac it would seem obvious that the 800 allocation must be for fac ammo but the word slug isn't there. now I believe that there have to be more than 5 pellets and none more than .36 dia ( I think) to be classed as normal shotgun ammo which would be covered by a sgc. AND a lot off the time people say ask your feo but mostly they just haven't got a clue and come out with any old toot. as far as I can understand anyone can say anything verbally but if it isn't there in black and white they can and do change their mind like the wind. One of the son in laws was told that he could have a 22 lr and after six months they would give him a free variation for a 223 but when he applied for this they denied that this had been said and that he would have to pay for it and go through due process. when challenged about this they backed down and gave him his variation. Clarify your situation and demand that the word slug is written on your cert because you had clearly discussed this with the feo at the home visit. Edited May 21, 2016 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Are there any other 12 bore section one cartridges available other than slugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel100 Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Rimfireboy, There are one or two specialist US and European cartridges which 'stack' two or three slugs or discs. That would be classed as s1 in the UK although other than for an ammunition collector, I'm not quite sure what you'd want it for? Nearly forgot, there are also 'Hatton' breaching rounds, 12G flare cartridges and 'Ferret' CS rounds and at one time Taser made a self-contained 12g taser cartridge which could be fired from a normal 12g shotgun but they are definitely what you might class as exotic ammo! Personally, I think that slug is grossly underrated. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Are there any other 12 bore section one cartridges available other than slugs? I'm not sure but I think that LG shot is .36 dia = 6 per oz. so anything bigger than LG ( Don't know of anything bigger) would be classed as fac. Back in ww2 the home guard were issued big shot carts to fight against the invaders, should they come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Surely any section one 12 bore ammo allowance would cover any section one ammo... It'd be a bit like expecting soft point / fmj / polymer tipped to be entered with rifle ammo (disregarding the section 5 element of expanding ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 I think everyone I know under Durham that does PSG has it listed separately as "12 Bore Slug" usual amount for a 1st grant is 200 rounds, then if you can show good reason (usage) they may increase it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProGunJohn Posted May 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Well they did ask me to send it back to have it 'investigated'. But do you think it be ok if I buy a couple guns in the mean time and some bullets, just so I have some to play with in the mean time? I wouldn't mind doing it since both slugs and a suppressor are missing from the license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Go for it Loading your own slug rounds is pretty easy and a lot cheaper than factory ammo from the local suppliers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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