David BASC Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Latest from BASC re medical fees here: https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/latest-news/basc-says-dont-pay-medical-fee/ David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Well that's clear enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Well done to BASC on this particular issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Seems fair enough, certainly all of the medical opinion i have encountered on the matter supports either refusing to respond or levying a charge commensurate with the potential medicolegal risk. If people stick to refusing to pay we may with luck see the removal of GP involvement. Its notable the BMA were reportedly completely against the current system but despite their complete objection are still quoted as having been involved in producing the current state of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Well done to BASC on this particular issue +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Well done to BASC on this particular issue +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Latest from BASC re medical fees here: https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/latest-news/basc-says-dont-pay-medical-fee/ David does this include medical reports if asked for by firearms dept?, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Depends on circumstances, more guidance here: https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2016/03/Firearms-licensing-medical-process-fact-sheet.pdf David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brokey Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 I received a phone call from my GP a couple of days after receiving my SGC saying that there would be a charge of £25 to reply to a letter re my application. I informed them that according to the BMA guidelines there should be no charge for placing the marker on my file although the secretary had no idea what form she was trying to charge for. That was over 5 weeks ago and I've heard nothing since ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Depends on circumstances, more guidance here: https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2016/03/Firearms-licensing-medical-process-fact-sheet.pdf David so in some circumstance there would be a fee to be paid by applicant,i think BASC need to be clearer on this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 If you read the document on the link I posted its very clear when you have to pay. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 If you read the document on the link I posted its very clear when you have to pay. David i clicked on the link in your first posted and it stated "BASC says don’t pay medical fee" , if there are circumstances when applicant has to pay a fee then you should have stated that in your first post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 The release relates to the first check where nothing is declared, some GP's are charging for simply doing the basic check, adding the marker to the record, this should not be charged for The initial release clearly says that if further investigation is required because something is declared by the applicant or the GP then a fee may be payable. The second link above confirms the only circumstance where the applicant must pay I hope that clarifies David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadedFlapper Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 How do I find out what capacity the GP got involved? As I've just received a £50 invoice for the privilege! The invoice says "To complete firearms licence renewal form sent to Dorset police 07. 07. 2016" A bit confused as I received my Certs over a month ago!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 How do I find out what capacity the GP got involved? As I've just received a £50 invoice for the privilege! The invoice says "To complete firearms licence renewal form sent to Dorset police 07. 07. 2016" A bit confused as I received my Certs over a month ago!!! Watching with interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 ill these changes be introduced across the UK? The new system will be introduced in England and Wa les on 1 April. Because processes in Scotland may differ, separate guidance is being issued in su mmer 2016 regarding medical information in Scotland. The firearm and shotgun application form s apply in England, Wales and Scotland. The new system does not apply to Northern Ireland which has separate firearms legislation and processes. One less hurdle to jump in this part of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 GPs are not supposed to send out invoices unless they have already discussed this with the patient and the patient has agreed to pay, Given that the certificate has already been delivered suggests strongly that the GP added the marker to your records and ticked the box on the form confirming that there was no evidence that there are my medical issues which could prevent you from having a certificate. Its also clear that the GP did not recommend that any further investigation into your health was needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygreengrass Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Well done BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadedFlapper Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 GPs are not supposed to send out invoices unless they have already discussed this with the patient and the patient has agreed to pay, Given that the certificate has already been delivered suggests strongly that the GP added the marker to your records and ticked the box on the form confirming that there was no evidence that there are my medical issues which could prevent you from having a certificate. Its also clear that the GP did not recommend that any further investigation into your health was needed. But looking at this in the home office guidance notes this process can happen after the grant?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 How do I find out what capacity the GP got involved? As I've just received a £50 invoice for the privilege! The invoice says "To complete firearms licence renewal form sent to Dorset police 07. 07. 2016" A bit confused as I received my Certs over a month ago!!! I would suggest the context was in the wording on the invoice. Namely , "To complete firearms licence renewal form sent to Dorset police 07. 07. 2016" Had they submitted a medical report it would have said so. This procedure happens after ones FAC has been issued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadedFlapper Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Just been reading this on the BMA website! BMA revised guidance on fees The response to the Police's letter indicating whether there are any concerns and that a code on the patient's medical record has been added, is not part of a GP’s contract. It is therefore up to the GP to assess how best to proceed, taking on board the following factors and guidance: 1 - The work involved in responding to the letter is minimal and therefore can be undertaken easily without delay and without a fee. 2- The work involved in responding to the letter requires time and resources from the practice that necessitate a fee to be charged to the patient (the Police should not be charged). We would advise GPs to seek confirmation from the patient that they are in agreement to pay a fee before undertaking the work so not to cause additional confusion or delay. If there is a delay owing to this and you are unable to respond to the letter within the 21 days, please notify the police of this. 3- No one in the practice is available (e.g. on holiday or off sick) to complete the work within 21 days. Please notify the police without delay. 4- The practice does not have the capacity to undertake the work within the 21 days. Please notify the police without delay. 5- That the GP has a conscientious objection to gun ownership and no other GP in the practice is available or able to undertake the work. Please notify the police without delay So my conclusion is they can charge what they like!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 It was agreed with the BMA, GMC, Home Office and BASC that there would be no charge for adding the marker and ticking the form and sending it back, it's confusing that the BMA are giving conflicting advice on their web site.Never the less BASC,s position remains the same as per the link I postedDavid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 It was agreed with the BMA, GMC, Home Office and BASC that there would be no charge for adding the marker and ticking the form and sending it back, it's confusing that the BMA are giving conflicting advice on their web site. Never the less BASC,s position remains the same as per the link I posted David I assume BASC will now be engaging with the BMA over the change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southman1 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 My sgc was renewed in May ,two weeks ago had a phone call from my Drs secretary informing me that the fire arms department had called the Dr for a medical report I replied that if they wanted to pay for it go a head ,she said that they won't pay .i informed her that I am not paying for it to be done ,that's fine was the reply she said that i shouldn't be telling you this that is the feedback from sgc and firearms renewals .have not here'd from them yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Yes we will be taking this further to stand up for shooters rights. As to southman1's point, this may help: http://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2016/03/Firearms-licensing-medical-process-fact-sheet.pdf David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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