pinfireman Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 You persist in this claim that he is German and made another claim some time ago he is covering up something, but when I asked you to prove either you neglected to do so. I've no doubt you'll do neither this time also. It reveals much more about you than your claims about Farage. How very true! Another rumour monger....the Remain camp was full of them....all losers! Anyone seen any pigeons lately? Yes,.....in Trafalgar Square! But nowhere to set up a hide! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Shame its not being put out as news and in a positive way though.. Indeed, it`s only because I trawl through the EU news atm that I`m aware of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Pinfire et al: Ask this simple thing How much did being in the EU honestly affect you? Now, honestly say to yourself- how is the current Brexit situation already affecting you? ( forget immigration and the skilled / unskilled arguement as there are a lot more 'unskilled' UK benefit claimants than migrants many times over) I'm not a 'bitter' remainer- just a concerned Parent You might not have noticed the price increases in the Supermarket or at the petrol pumps- yet, but I'm stuck working for a UK company overseas In this last week due to the plummetin of Sterling we are 840 down on this time last year and are worried for our children who are settled with friends/schools etc ( btw, it was the UK low birth rates that cause many schools to close, hence the difficulty of obtaining child places- but if it's the EU's fault then how come I walked into the town hall office yesterday and enrolled our eldest in the school of choice) Without realising it,the lives of many many families both in the UK and abroad, have been placed into precarious positions The logic of "the FTSE100 has done better than before BREXIT" high lights the general problem that this Referendum posed---- lack of clear information and knowledge. One 'knowledgeable' friend said he voted out as among other things stated that the EU red tape meant problems with his business for exports- so I asked what percentage did he export. "Oh, none" came the reply I asked about his imports- " oh that doesn't affect me" - nope, but it affects your wife's supermarket bill Oh well, Great Britain- it's not 1642 and sailing of Conquering new worlds- it's 2016 and the world is closer linked than ever, except you wish for it not to be!!!!! We can't go back, history is history and no matter what you think- Politicians are just employeees trying to impress their bosses and will do / say pretty much anything to get their way But in the end it comes back to one thing- we need each other Easy! My grandchildren are seeking jobs and apprenticeships....but little on offer, thanks to cheap labour EU economic migrants.....Why take on a BRITISH youngster, when big business can have an adult migrant, often at less than the minimum wage? My nephew is looking for a reasonable rented flat....no chance! Landlords shoving 3 to a room migrants in there! We ALL pay taxes.....but then again, none of my family work in CASH ONLY jobs, like car wash, pizza delivery, mini cabs, the list goes on.....and we cannot FORGET immigration.....we like our country the way it was, NOT how big business and third rate politicians want it to be..! Being in the EU means that foreigners who I did NOT elect can make laws that govern almost every aspect of life...... Being in the EU means that even if ALL our MEPS were UKIP, they would ALWAYS be outvoted by the rest! Britain has only 4% of the vote, therefore only 4% of the influence! Britain has tabled 70 motions or amendments over the last 20 years...Do you know how many were passed? NONE! And you are a bitter Remainer, because if you were not, you would accept a democratic vote, and get on with making this country a better place for OUR children, and grandchildren! Are you trying to say that because we democratically voted to leave the EU ,that means we have closed ourselves off from the World ? That is a silly,naive comment,the EU was the one that closed itself off,trying to run 28 countries that all trade in different things in different ways with one useless formula. And, making it difficult for the wider world to deal with it,why has it took so many years for Canada to reach a 'trade deal' do you think its down to Canada ? Why, when they can see there is a problem,do they not try to adjust their strategy ? They are like WW1 generals sending waves of infantry over the top towards machine guns and artillery in entrenched positions ..and death. It took 3 years and millions of deaths before they realised the strategy was useless. The EU mindset is the same type of thing, 'Lets try to equalise the wealth between all 28 countries ' Oh dear that doesnt work 'Lets add 5 more poor countries that should make it better ' Lets try and force them all to use the Euro,a failing currency that only benefits strong manufacturing economies ie: Germany and...Oh. Look with your eyes,where is the prosperity ? Where is the 'oneness' ? Look at Greece,Spain,Portugal,Italy and France. By the time the EU realises it has drunk its own poisoned water,it will have killed more of its economies and disenchanted its citizens. Its already happening,but its too brain dead to realise. That will be its legacy,and I will be able to hold my head up and say I helped dodge the bullet. Extremely well said! Brilliant! Just because it was posted after your post doesn't mean it was aimed at you Thanks.....it had me wondering! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 I do believe even 'Backout Boris' stated it was possible the country would once again enter Recession We can state each other's points till we are blue ( or should that be Red, White and Blue) in the face, but i like to think I'm a Realist not a Pessimist and not an Optomist which I believe you are. Bills and goods are also forward purchased and to a great degree the large Supermarkets will absorb as much as they can in the interim. Really wish to divulge some info that I was Privy too from a leading Bank but I'm not-- lets just say it doesn't make pretty reading Right, this is typed between work breaks so has been rather short. Ps, the school and birth rate statement comes from a Senior Head- who happens to be the gobbiest sister in law ever ....... And my son - in - law is head of maths at a very large comp here in the North, and says exactly the opposite....and voted out! You have to hear some of the horror stories about some of the kids now enrolled from a certain area in South East Europe.... I do believe even 'Backout Boris' stated it was possible the country would once again enter Recession We can state each other's points till we are blue ( or should that be Red, White and Blue) in the face, but i like to think I'm a Realist not a Pessimist and not an Optomist which I believe you are. Bills and goods are also forward purchased and to a great degree the large Supermarkets will absorb as much as they can in the interim. Really wish to divulge some info that I was Privy too from a leading Bank but I'm not-- lets just say it doesn't make pretty reading Right, this is typed between work breaks so has been rather short. Ps, the school and birth rate statement comes from a Senior Head- who happens to be the gobbiest sister in law ever ....... I think we all noted that you failed to mention the parlous state of the Italian banks, the Greek economy, and what is happening to the economies of Spain and Portugal.? To cut it short, I'm over the moon with the result so far, I was expecting to see a bigger shock from leaving and am under no illusions that tough times may follow, but I'm the most positive for the future of the uk as a whole I've been in years, of course there will be indervidual winner's and losers in this, for once the wealthy elite are likely to take the biggest hit, I my self with a large property portfolio am going to see less profit than if we stayed in, but I voted out for the good of the uk as a whole and realise the referendum affects far more people than just me. Well said mate! I appreciate that you would like unrestricted immigration kept out of the equation, but that is naïve beyond belief. The effect is there for all to see. Speak to a Policeman in Staffordshire and ask what percentage of their time is spent on immigrants. Walk around a town centre in the North West, go to a hospital - see just what is happening. I worry about the future for my children and grandchildren, whilst "Remainers" invent economic fantasy to support the fact that they lost and won't accept democracy. Absolutely correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 That's easy Gordon Democracy allows for both side of an arguement, yet we are alway shouted down. So, really your saying it is down to immigration- ok, I will pose the question to a friend in the Force who is in what was known as 'Humberside' area ( although technically not known anymore but it encompasses the likes of Hull and Grimsby) The thing is, I don't need to ask him as we have already discussed it and it's not all 'immigrants' - far from it. You can tar as many as you like and of course some areas will be different to others. Technically I'm an immigrant as I work and live in another country ( albeit UK Company), but I'm not seen as anything different. I think the UK successive Governments have a lot to answer for as it was them who put the onus on having all the leaflets in Hospitals/Doctors/job centres etc put into multi-lingual format. Sure wasn't the EU, unless Germany, Holland and France would have followed suit, but my experience of these places are that they don't Go to Boston, Lincs where the biggest Leave vote occurred, or visit Doncaster, South Yorkshire, and wander round an area called Hexthorpe in the evening....and see it for real! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 It seems to me that people on both sides of the argument now think that if they keep on repeating the same thing over and over again eventually they will win the argument but life is not like that except the verdict for what it is and get on with life in or out life goes on. You are right.........sadly, moves are afoot to deal democracy a blow, and squirm out from invoking Article 50. I believe that what the Remainers have failed to realise is that those who voted to Leave are passionate about their country, and their democratic rights, and are likely to put up a fight....whereas most who voted remain did so, not from conviction, but from what it might cost their pocket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 What I would like to see is how the various allegiances with the MPs stacks up. We know that during the campaign there was a split in both parties - each had Remain and Leave voters. The current legal challenge by Mishcon de Reya is not, as a lot of people seem to think, a bid to over turn the result and block the EU exit, but to insist that Parliament acts within its constitution and debates an Act of Parliament on giving the power to the PM to evoke Article 50. Apparently it's all down to interpreting the legal position of how and when to repeal the European Communities Act 1972 (or something like that!) Now it may have been the desires of the people behind the action to make sure that a Pro Brexit PM doesn't just go ahead and invoke Article 50, but this may have backfired if Mrs May gets in meaning she can't just ignore the call for Article 50 now. So it will be down to a Parliamentary debate - I can't see how they can have voting done on party lines as there are too many divisions, so it will presumably be a free vote. In which case it will be up to us to lobby our MP as to what we wish them to do for us. We assume that all SNP MPs will vote for remaining in and not invoking Atricle 50, but my question is how the numbers stack up for all the others. What we all have to remember is that as we have a Representative Democracy we gave the power to our elected MPs to decide for us. Rubbish! It,s a means by the rich and p[owerful to block a democratic vote! You will note that Mishcon never take on poor people as clients! As for giving power to our elected MP,s....this Referendum was held because the Government, realised that the country was divided on this issue, and needed direction. It got it! But it,s not the direction that the rich and powerful wanted, so they are using every means possible to block it! Article 50 should be invoked NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 What I would like to see is how the various allegiances with the MPs stacks up. We know that during the campaign there was a split in both parties - each had Remain and Leave voters. The current legal challenge by Mishcon de Reya is not, as a lot of people seem to think, a bid to over turn the result and block the EU exit, but to insist that Parliament acts within its constitution and debates an Act of Parliament on giving the power to the PM to evoke Article 50. Apparently it's all down to interpreting the legal position of how and when to repeal the European Communities Act 1972 (or something like that!) Now it may have been the desires of the people behind the action to make sure that a Pro Brexit PM doesn't just go ahead and invoke Article 50, but this may have backfired if Mrs May gets in meaning she can't just ignore the call for Article 50 now. So it will be down to a Parliamentary debate - I can't see how they can have voting done on party lines as there are too many divisions, so it will presumably be a free vote. In which case it will be up to us to lobby our MP as to what we wish them to do for us. We assume that all SNP MPs will vote for remaining in and not invoking Atricle 50, but my question is how the numbers stack up for all the others. What we all have to remember is that as we have a Representative Democracy we gave the power to our elected MPs to decide for us. As you are well aware, in Parliament, there is a large majority AGAINST Brexit, so passing it to them is as good as denying the people their wishes.....and well you know that...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 A number of reasons I decided to vote out. 1) The main one, was I could see the underlying devious plan of a few 'criminals'(my view)fraud is a crime, who had one desire and that was to form a Communist State of Europe where the ordinary guy on the street mattered for nought and just a few of the Valiant Leaders could earn vast amounts of money ... a posh North Korea. 2) I objected to numerous failed politicians moving into non elected jobs at double the salary plus huge pensions, telling us what to do. eg Kinnock, Rumpty Tumpty, Junker, Mandelson et al 3) Vast amounts of our money being wasted on schemes where that money spent here in the UK could have done so much more. 4) A company which had not balanced and audited it's books for two years never mind over twenty would be out of business. The fraud within the EU is mind boggling. Taking the standard travel money and then using a cheaper travel arrangement is very much the tip of the iceberg 5) Within twelve months my right to have a gun/rifle and go hunting would without doubt be infringed with the new directives aimed at gun control due to go through the Commision. Correct! Just as Hitler did when he invaded other countries, the first things to be collected were privately held guns, and the second were radio transmitters, so that people could not communicate with each other. Not in the case of the referendum,it was done as proportional representation. Otherwise we would just have had a snap election on the basis of which MP wanted in or out,a virtual impossibility. You cant make out it was going to be proportional ,then end up letting the MPs decide,they would never get re elected ,and thats just for starters! Correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Unfortunately this was done as a consultative referendum, which means it has no legal standing, unlike the Alternative Vote referendum in 2011. And yes it will up to each MP to decide. Now we would hope they go with the decision of their constituents. They will not! They have a large majority of Remainer MP,s and they are hardly likely to want to take their noses out of the EU trough! All those jollies to Brussels, the consultancy jobs when they leave Westminster, it would be like turkeys voting for Xmas. Apart from a few honest souls, the rest are garbage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 It was an advisory referendum, there`s absolutely no doubt about that. Many of the public may have been unaware of it but nonetheless that is the case. However Cameron stated before the result that whatever the result it would be adhered to and Parliament as a whole seem to be set on following that policy and carrying out the will of the majority (and rightly so). We hope so, or there will be trouble.....17 million plus people will not see their will overturned. If it is, can you imagine the tactical voting in 2020 (or earlier) ? There was 4 million UKIP voters last time, and even if they are the only ones to vote tactically, they will really damage the sitting MPs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 They will not! They have a large majority of Remainer MP,s and they are hardly likely to want to take their noses out of the EU trough! All those jollies to Brussels, the consultancy jobs when they leave Westminster, it would be like turkeys voting for Xmas. Apart from a few honest souls, the rest are garbage! We hope so, or there will be trouble.....17 million plus people will not see their will overturned. If it is, can you imagine the tactical voting in 2020 (or earlier) ? There was 4 million UKIP voters last time, and even if they are the only ones to vote tactically, they will really damage the sitting MPs.... Well I was just about to say much the same in reference to the first quote. I think if they don`t see through the will of the people it may well be the end of the Labour party in their heartlands. As Leave showed in the referendum a motivated electorate can cause a great deal of trouble to the establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Got to love the unbiased, open minded Remainians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 The woman is a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchy trigger Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) not well today, so spent some time in front of the TV watching the various news channels, watched some of the coverage from the EU exit debate in the House of Lords, my take on what I saw and heard was in the main the Conservatives wish to uphold the referendum result, leader of the house "the will of the British people", the Labour, Crossbench and Liberal peers do not agree with the referendum result, lot of talk of having to do deals, compromises and trade offs Edited July 5, 2016 by itchy trigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Ooooh sorry boys- just had to go and get my handbag for the fight..... Nope, was really doing my day job on how to look after you when me wings are on fire. Well I must say thankyou to Pinfire- never before have I been so lucky to be quoted four times... Am I bitter? Nah- pee'd about loss of spends for my family of course. But..... Nah, scrub that- your mention of Hitler has just about summed things and your attitude up. Ps yes I know Donny very well- my Wife is from there and most of her family worked for the Coal Board, still- don't think you would like what they voted Her grandfather died a few weeks ago and his words of "you lot wanting freedom from Europe" kind of goes against the reason he was at Juno Anyway- enjoy your debate Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Jaymo - I see you don't find it easy to answer a straight question. It just about sums up your attitude. :whistling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neillfrbs Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 will it last longer than the weekend this time one truley hopes so a truley devisive indivdual good ridens he did what he set out to do ,i say bloody well done ,and wish him all the best for the future . and chrisjh ,GET OVER IT YOU LOST . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 The woman is a moron. Totally stupid cow. Made me angry just watching her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Gordon Sorry I didn't see your post/request The current net migration stood at what? 188000- is that not less than .002% of the current total population, which given the proportion of them that are actively working? Say 50%? Really is a drop in the ocean to 'debbie' and her 7 kids on benefits ( I'm so sorry if your names Debbie- first one that popped into my head, ex gf from Newark so maybe she does have 7 kids now?) With the U.K. Populace currently expanding as it is then how can this small percentage bee seen as a major draw on the Governemt Purse We all saw the total EU budget which paled into insignificance compared to the welfare budget. Like I said, not bitter and more than happy to hold my own but to be honest I joined PW for what it was and not what this section has become. Let the Politicians do what they were elected to do and let's go back to bunny/clay/ paper bashing instead of each other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Ooooh sorry boys- just had to go and get my handbag for the fight..... Nope, was really doing my day job on how to look after you when me wings are on fire. Well I must say thankyou to Pinfire- never before have I been so lucky to be quoted four times... Am I bitter? Nah- pee'd about loss of spends for my family of course. But..... Nah, scrub that- your mention of Hitler has just about summed things and your attitude up. Ps yes I know Donny very well- my Wife is from there and most of her family worked for the Coal Board, still- don't think you would like what they voted Her grandfather died a few weeks ago and his words of "you lot wanting freedom from Europe" kind of goes against the reason he was at Juno Anyway- enjoy your debate Jay So are we to understand you're mostly peed off with the brexit vote because of the way you think it will effect your wallet?I would think the reason your wife's grandfather was at Juno was because the government of the day decided we should rightly withstand and overthrow a dictatorship in favour of a democracy which gave us the freedom of choice? That freedom of choice was used last month, but sadly for some, not enough people cared enough to vote the way some wished. I was t happy when the tories got in; tough **** ; that's democracy. What else would you have us do....best out of three? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Like I said, not bitter and more than happy to hold my own but to be honest I joined PW for what it was and not what this section has become. This section is off topic Jay, hasn't become anything, it is what it is, off topic from shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 Gordon Sorry I didn't see your post/request The current net migration stood at what? 188000- is that not less than .002% of the current total population, which given the proportion of them that are actively working? Say 50%? Really is a drop in the ocean to 'debbie' and her 7 kids on benefits ( I'm so sorry if your names Debbie- first one that popped into my head, ex gf from Newark so maybe she does have 7 kids now?) With the U.K. Populace currently expanding as it is then how can this small percentage bee seen as a major draw on the Governemt Purse We all saw the total EU budget which paled into insignificance compared to the welfare budget. Like I said, not bitter and more than happy to hold my own but to be honest I joined PW for what it was and not what this section has become. Let the Politicians do what they were elected to do and let's go back to bunny/clay/ paper bashing instead of each other! The only arguments I can see from your posts is how the leave vote will directly affect you and your family for which I am genuinely sorry, that said the way I see it this referendum is about the uk as a whole and I and most other leave voters truly believe it will benefit the little people of the uk, you know the average hard working people whos labour pays for people on benefits and that pays for the rich to live their extravagant lifestyles while most just manage to scrape by, living hand to mouth in some cases. That is why I'm glad the uk voted to leave and unfortunately it's bigger than one indervidual and their family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 the country voted leave and thats that we need to make the best of it, in terms of Farage why has he now walked away he should be a part of the next phase and finish what he started not happy he and others are not seeing it through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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