guzzicat Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) I spotted this for sale on Gun****, poor pics, seemed that the barrels needed re/blueing, as I was in need of a project I bought it, it arrived, barrels are nice damascus, nitro proofed for 2.5" & 1 1/8th oz,a few pits but they should lap out, woodwork has a few dings & chequering needs re/cut but should be a nice gun when work done,. Army & Navy, I have contacted Glasgow for original sale details. Edited October 27, 2016 by guzzicat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Well done , I look forward to regular updates of your progress with the project! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Bargain, look forward to your project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Good buy there well done. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Gun for the price of a curry - well done mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Gun for the price of a curry - well done mate Blimey my curry is never that cheap!! Nice gun for a giveaway price great result well done! Look forward to seeing it take shape during the refurb!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 How come that never happens to me?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Well done! I'm very interested in the "lapping" process, could you show a before and after pic if possible. Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Obviously will need a re proof if you lap the barrels out. Damascus needs browning not bluing, to get the nice pattern effect. In fact the barrels don't look too bad from the photo and have that semi brown colour that all Damascus takes on with age. I have a 16gauge Army & Navy with Damascus about the same age, yours maybe a bit later than that seeing it is nitro proofed. Mine was originally black powder but I had it nitro proofed. Probably made by a Birmingham maker, Westley Richards did a fair few for them I believe, because of course Army & Navy never actually made guns themselves. Well worth renovating. Is it an ejector model? Edited October 27, 2016 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Obviously will need a re proof if you lap the barrels out. Damascus needs browning not bluing, to get the nice pattern effect. I have a 16gauge Army & Navy with Damascus about the same age, yours maybe a bit later than that seeing it is nitro proofed. Mine was originally black powder but I had it nitro proofed. Probably made by a Birmingham maker, Westley Richards did a fair few for them I believe, because of course Army & Navy never actually made guns themselves. Well worth renovating. Is it an ejector model? I had the barrels skimmed on my Midland. No reproof needed as it stayed within proof limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Was that on Damascus ? It seems these days you only have to breath on a shotgun to have to have it re proofed. Does that shotgun have a dolls head locking mechanism because if it does it is likely a Westley Richards although a number of Birmingham early makers used a similar system to ensure their barrels stayed in place. Modern metal alloys have more or less done away with that necessity now. I look forward to seeing it in a few months as new :-) These old shotguns just have a feel about them which is rare in modern over and unders. Money well spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted October 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Yes This non ejector has a doll,s head extension, I have a "Brace" of Charles Hellis shotguns, 1 "2 chambers & 1 "2.75 I am very fond of these especially the "2 ,26" barrels & a scant 5Lbs make it a joy to carry. I will keep posting pics as work proceeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Was that on Damascus ? It seems these days you only have to breath on a shotgun to have to have it re proofed. Does that shotgun have a dolls head locking mechanism because if it does it is likely a Westley Richards although a number of Birmingham early makers used a similar system to ensure their barrels stayed in place. Modern metal alloys have more or less done away with that necessity now. I look forward to seeing it in a few months as new :-) These old shotguns just have a feel about them which is rare in modern over and unders. Money well spent. Not Damascus, different rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Where do I find whether it/mine was made by WR. If you can point me at a book or some images I would be very interested. Edited October 27, 2016 by Mr.C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted October 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 If you have an Army & Navy shotgun the Glasgow university archives have details of sales & prices back to the age of steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 the wood isn't bad at all either -- and single trigger? Nice project, do post updates! ie closer shots of the barrels -- lets see what kind of damascus it is. On my hammer gun, it looks like the damascus was finished 'black' instead of 'brown' -- it's nice and contrasty, but not brown... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted October 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Double triggers & disc set strikers Edited October 28, 2016 by guzzicat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Lovely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Very nice gun, more than likely a W&S boxlock made for A&N. As guzzicat said University of Glasgow archives have details of sales & prices. Can you take a picture of the action and top lever please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Cheers guzzicat and old'un. Mine's not an A&N but I was after a reference source to compare my early boxlock to other actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted October 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Took more pics with same camera, comes up "file to big", will try over weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Very nice guzzicat - excellent find - barrels are not in bad shape at all but if you require re browning i suggest contacting Dan Bromley - he does fantastic work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted October 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just got word back from Glasgow,Gun was sold new to a mr G.Grant in 1907 for£16.00.00 only 1£ depreciation in109 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Took more pics with same camera, comes up "file to big", will try over weekend. Post them to imgur.com -- it's a bit of a dumping ground :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Just got word back from Glasgow,Gun was sold new to a mr G.Grant in 1907 for£16.00.00 only 1£ depreciation in109 years! Pretty funny actually! According to the bank of england calculator, 16 is the equivalent of about £1700 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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