kody Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 So why is it the police are asking for old and spent convictions going back years to be declared It didn't matter before to peoples renewals so why should it matter now just a thought like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Honesty test? Remind you of the relevance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I though spent convictions have always needed to be declared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I though spent convictions have always needed to be declared.On previous renewals my forms stated that already declared/historic convictions weren't required.I have a conditional discharge for a domestic with the wife's ex from before we were married in 1990. Trouble is I have no idea what year it was and no way of finding out - unless I ask the police... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted November 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Not sure how long this has been the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I think that on initial application all if any spent convictions need to be declared but on renewals the wording may be any convictions since last application. (Met police) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted November 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I got a conviction in 1976 for driving on me own on a provisional licence and in 1984 for not wearing seat belt And in 2012 using a mobile All fixed penalty notices so don't think these have to be declared according to the forms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I got a conviction in 1976 for driving on me own on a provisional licence and in 1984 for not wearing seat belt And in 2012 using a mobile All fixed penalty notices so don't think these have to be declared according to the forms I had to declare 3 points I have for speeding, my FEO asked me when he was checking my cabinets 2 weeks ago.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1440 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) It does seem a bit odd when all they have to do is type your name into the PNC. Surley there should just be a notifocation on the form warning that any previous conviction will be taken into account when considering the appliction. Edited November 13, 2016 by Paul1440 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I got a conviction in 1976 for driving on me own on a provisional licence and in 1984 for not wearing seat belt And in 2012 using a mobile All fixed penalty notices so don't think these have to be declared according to the forms You are correct Sir, fixed penalties do not have to be declared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmy1100 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) they do it cause they can and if you miss something you can be cautioned and reported for prosecution for trying to procure a license by deception if you are unsure of past convictions you have to pay £10 for printouts from crb Edited November 13, 2016 by remmy1100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted November 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 You are correct Sir, fixed penalties do not have to be declared. I suppose if they were put down then we would be on the right side anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I suppose if they were put down then we would be on the right side anyway you would be on the right side if you didn't put them down,as they said fixed penalties do not need to be declared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 It's a rather childish little test of your honesty. I've a spent motoring offence (a 3 pointer only) which I mentioned briefly to be told why didn't I declare it - pointed out Statute of Limitations and the fact that had the FLO checked my records properly he would not have needed to ask the question. Another embarrassing pause - he had already asked me what safety training my dad gave me when I got my first gun 50 years ago!? My wife was chuckling behind him as I explained I was given a gun and told not to shoot anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowdie2013 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I think I have put "no convictions/charges etc since last renewal" and this has never been questioned. Like others I've no idea when these were from and they weren't serious offenses - just a couple of shenanigans from my youth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I'm pretty sure convictions are never spent under the Firearms Act, same as when applying for certain jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Rule 3(1) of the Firearm Rules 1998 requires that details about all previous convictions must be given even if spent – [by virtue of Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exemptions) Order 1975] Found this on the web.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 1. You must not withhold information about any conviction. This includes motoring offences, binding overs, formal written warnings, cautions and convictions in and outside Great Britain, and (by virtue of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exceptions) Order 1975) convictions which are spent under the 1974 Act. A conditional discharge and an absolute discharge both count as convictions for this purpose. Details of parking offences and fixed penalty notices do not need to be declared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 ISTR recently reading somewhere that a new requirement to list all convictions going back over the years is emerging and any old convictions may be reconsidered on renewals. Anyone who's job requires a CRB check would presumably be able to send the printout in with their application. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 ISTR recently reading somewhere that a new requirement to list all convictions going back over the years is emerging and any old convictions may be reconsidered on renewals. . Ive heard this too, despite it not being in the HO guidelines. Despite the massive grilling I had when first applying ,I was asked a couple of months ago by (not my usual) FEO to list all convictions..for a change of address ! Caught me completely off guard,as I was not expecting it,I said you already have all relevant info on the matter. Yes ,but I want YOU to tell me,she admitted it was a test of honesty,as she had all my record in front of her. I would advise , unless theres loads ,putting down what you can remember,they know it all anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgun Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Rule 3(1) of the Firearm Rules 1998 requires that details about all previous convictions must be given even if spent [by virtue of Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exemptions) Order 1975] Found this on the web.. Plus 1 in the eyes of the firearms dept no conviction is class as spent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 (edited) In this part of the UK you have to disclose all convictions. Must I declare all convictions? You must not withhold information about any conviction. Part D of the application form 30/1 asks if you have ever been convicted or received an official police caution for any offence, including motoring offences. If you have convictions to disclose, you must enter every conviction, probation order and absolute/ condition discharge as well as those resulting in a fine or imprisonment. Details of Spent Convictions must also be given (Rehabilitation of Offenders (Exemptions) Order Northern Ireland 1979). If the exact date cannot be remembered, give an approximation as well as the nature of the offence. And for the rest of the UK. FORM 201 Page 2 PART C: Offences Important : Please read note s 1 3 and 1 4 before completion 1 3 . Have you been convicted of any offence ( including speeding but not including parking offences or fixed penalty notices ) or received a written caution? □ Yes □ No ( If yes, give details of all convictions and/or formal written police cautions, binding overs and spent convictions, including those received outside Great Britain). Edited November 14, 2016 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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