gaffertoo Posted November 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Mmmm very sorry if its hurt a nerve but all this thing of charging this service as far I can see is just a way of making money out of us,£20 is about right as far as I can see for this type of this sevice. It's part of the job of running a shop , taking the post in from the post man( oh dear .must charge someone for this ) taking a phone call from a RFD ( another charge comming up) mmmm lovely jubbly , Oh dear I have forgot ,the licence ,got you , it's just like Thomas Caxton on his printing press ,,,£35 ,,£35 , keep it comming lads ooh yes lovely jubbly Rodders ,na money for old rope and who you are taking the money from ,yes us who pay enough as it is to have a hobby . As the members can see on here i'm not happy about the sort of charges that are made on this ,way out of order and is just to much , Yes some of you will say ,well thats what you have to pay but why !! Alot of the members on here are older members and whats more there are loads of shooters out there who are indeed in there later years ,,alot ,,,alot are not ,but they dont like being ripped also but take it or leave it is the way it seems to me,,,,,,sorry ,,,not good enough ,just greedy . So with this in mind i've said what I think on this but I dare say someone will come up with , we cant do it any cheaper ,yeah right ,I hope you can sleep at night .👎🏿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Gaffertoo Can we ask if you run your own business? If so what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) Gaffertoo- I think you are deluded. Do you buy a tin of beans and argue that the retailer shouldn't make a profit? Even after they have paid for the store, the energy bills, the advertising, the staff, the money tied up in stock.....and any number of other things. I run several business, a gun shop/rfd being one and I learned many years ago that profit is not a dirty word. I think that you could do your job (assuming you have one) for £1 an hour less than you currently get because it certainly doesn't cost you that much to do it! But you want to get paid enough to support your family, pay for your house, pay for the car to get to work and the clothes to wear there and then still have something left. I could send my tradesman out to work for a fraction of what I charge, I'm sure many customers would be happy, until I went bankrupt and then couldn't do work for them again. I could charge less for the services I provide in my shop but when there was no shop in a few months I think people might realise that prices have to take into consideration a lot of factors. Regards Edd Edited November 16, 2016 by eddoakley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffertoo Posted November 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Gaffertoo- I think you are deluded. Do you buy a tin of beans and argue that the retailer shouldn't make a profit? Even after they have paid for the store, the energy bills, the advertising, the staff, the money tied up in stock.....and any number of other things. I run several business, a gun shop/rfd being one and I learned many years ago that profit is not a dirty word. I think that you could do your job (assuming you have one) for £1 an hour less than you currently get because it certainly doesn't cost you that much to do it! But you want to get paid enough to support your family, pay for your house, pay for the car to get to work and the clothes to wear there and then still have something left. I could send my tradesman out to work for a fraction of what I charge, I'm sure many customers would be happy, until I went bankrupt and then couldn't do work for them again. I could charge less for the services I provide in my shop but when there was no shop in a few months I think people might realise that prices have to take into consideration a lot of factors. Regards Edd Hi Edd ,sorry mate ,yer right I dont work,done it for 55 years ! but £35 to take gun in ,na,sorry to much to pay . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 To make my position clear, I'm not against anyone making a living; only against being ripped off. I have never paid more than 20 quid for this service, which I have no problem with, and on the last RFD to RFD I did, the seller paid 25 at his end and my RFD charged me nothing. I gave him 20 quid for his time. A mate was recently told ( by one of those five wealthy RFD's I mentioned earlier ) he would be charged 50 quid for such a service. The same RFD some years ago, also tried to charge us 70 quid each for a chop job and barrel re-thread on our .22's. We found out quite by accident where the bloke who actually did the work was based, so took our guns directly to him; he charged us 35 quid each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Gaffertoo Simple answer buy all your guns locally and you won't get charged postage fees. Oh I have good customers that I don't charge but their not the 'but I bought a box a of cartridges last month' crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourer103 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 i have been in webbers when he is doing this, it realy doesnt take 10 mins and to be honest its more of a service than a profit thing, try sending it Royal Mail if they still accept firearms & Ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Gaffertoo, They are in business to make money and when dealing with your gun that has just arrived or taking a call about it they are not serving somebody else who is waiting to part with their money. If you think RFD charges are bad and hidden then I think you have never used a vet or a private dentist or any trades person like Plummer, carpenter electrician, builder, garage. The latter for example charge you a labour rate and then parts at retail hence making a profit on their time and the parts. That's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 My local are charging £25 to recieve a gun which the other end are charging £30 to send. It would be £50 if the paperwork were run another way. They are fun to talk to, obscenely cheap on workshop time, not bad for cartridges, entertaining, always helpful, and so i dont begrudge them it at all. I frequently end up popping in for something or another i dont need just because it makes a pleasant trip. Whilst money is tight at present i choose my rfd by how much i enjoy visiting them, not price. Id sooner keep a good chap in buisness and economise elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 The fee isn't compulsory. You can always drive a couple of hundred miles and pick it up. Work out the travel cost and your time and look at the price again. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 They are fun to talk to, obscenely cheap on workshop time, not bad for cartridges, entertaining, always helpful, and so i dont begrudge them it at all. I frequently end up popping in for something or another i dont need just because it makes a pleasant trip. Whilst money is tight at present i choose my rfd by how much i enjoy visiting them, not price. Id sooner keep a good chap in buisness and economise elsewhere. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwade545 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Prices are better then I've been quoted before for other places in North Wales. Valley arms send for £25 and usually are £25 to receive. If you join their gun club ( access to indoor range and monthly outdoor range outings) then they do it for considerably less, store guns for short term free of charge and will try and get what you need in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Hi Edd ,sorry mate ,yer right I dont work,done it for 55 years ! but £35 to take gun in ,na,sorry to much to pay . What would you consider reasonable? Before you answer consider just how much it costs every single day to open the doors. My shop is very small and overheads are kept to a minimum but to even be there to be able to offer the service costs rent, rates, utilities,staff, advertising,stock (considerable amounts of money sat on shelves often depriciating), account costs with couriers, insurance, monitored alarm costs, and before all of that the cost of fitting out a shop. And probably lots of things that have been forgotten. To take a gun in means that someone has to be there to do it, deal with courier and sign. Unpack, usually disposing of the rubbish (which is another cost with a retail premises) book the gun in, usually contact the buyer( oh yeah, I forgot the cost of a phone line and Internet in the shop costs) be there for them to collect, be relevantly certified to be able to do the handover and then the paperwork. My customers are always offered a cuppa, usually biscuits, they always want a chat. It would be incredibly rare for me to sell a gun/do the handover in less than an hour. This is all fine, and I choose to do it but I also expect it not to cost me money. The garage next door charge £75 per hour. I can't see them having a car delivered to them and charging you £10. But that's different because they don't have to have the certificate to do it in the first place. But they provide a service and they charge. So....what do you consider a reasonable cost to "take a gun in"? By the way, I have never charged more than £20. Edd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffertoo Posted November 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Hi Edd ,sorry mate ,yer right I dont work,done it for 55 years ! but £35 to take gun in ,na,sorry to much to pay . What would you consider reasonable? Before you answer consider just how much it costs every single day to open the doors. My shop is very small and overheads are kept to a minimum but to even be there to be able to offer the service costs rent, rates, utilities,staff, advertising,stock (considerable amounts of money sat on shelves often depriciating), account costs with couriers, insurance, monitored alarm costs, and before all of that the cost of fitting out a shop. And probably lots of things that have been forgotten. To take a gun in means that someone has to be there to do it, deal with courier and sign. Unpack, usually disposing of the rubbish (which is another cost with a retail premises) book the gun in, usually contact the buyer( oh yeah, I forgot the cost of a phone line and Internet in the shop costs) be there for them to collect, be relevantly certified to be able to do the handover and then the paperwork. My customers are always offered a cuppa, usually biscuits, they always want a chat. It would be incredibly rare for me to sell a gun/do the handover in less than an hour. This is all fine, and I choose to do it but I also expect it not to cost me money. The garage next door charge £75 per hour. I can't see them having a car delivered to them and charging you £10. But that's different because they don't have to have the certificate to do it in the first place. But they provide a service and they charge. So....what do you consider a reasonable cost to "take a gun in"? By the way, I have never charged more than £20. Edd Yes in some ways you are right ,I think its because people get away with it ,the way they charge ,and get away with it but as you have put it ,you are a gent by the looks of it ( not many about ) and charge £20 for this service just shows it can be done . I can see you have put a few to shame and make them think of what they are doing to the sport and us well done . Hows about the RFDs get together and put what they charge in there adverts on this like a price war for trade so to speak in there shop windows , by the looks of it you are a 5 star one on here ,well done..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 However long it takes those minutes spent have to cover rent,rates,heat,light,repairs etc etc for the time taken, If you dont like posting guns buy local or drive like cartridges these are the costs involved its take it or leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I think the fees charged are reasonable whatever they ask.the dealers are in business to make money.the same reason you all go to work.also in most cases you could buy the same gun locally be it private or shop and probably the same price.if you do not support your local rfd when making the larger purchases like guns don't expect them to be loyal to you for buying a few cartridges off him now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffertoo Posted November 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) I think the fees charged are reasonable whatever they ask.the dealers are in business to make money.the same reason you all go to work.also in most cases you could buy the same gun locally be it private or shop and probably the same price.if you do not support your local rfd when making the larger purchases like guns don't expect them to be loyal to you for buying a few cartridges off him now and again. Oh dear oh dear hearts and flowers ,tears on tears what will we do now someone has has come up with this and to say we charge to much for this serivce what can we do now? ,easy! If one on here can do it ,then you can ! Better send in the gun boat to sort this out me thinks or is it case of ...take it or leave it, mmmm me thinks thats it Edited November 17, 2016 by gaffertoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Oh dear oh dear hearts and flowers ,tears on tears what will we do now someone has has come up with this and to say we charge to much for this serivce what can we do now? ,easy! If one on here can do it ,then you can ! Better send in the gun boat to sort this out me thinks or is it case of ...take it or leave it, mmmm me thinks thats it I guess one thing you could try doing if it is not beyond you is to try and grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I wonder how many go down the pub and buy a pint or two at silly money and complain to the landlord rather than go to a supermarket and buy about between 12 & 20 cans for £12.00 Some things we just live with others we accept. normally the people with deep pockets are just never happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffertoo Posted November 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I guess one thing you could try doing if it is not beyond you is to try and grow up Na could not do that ,I dont drink ,any way I cant afford it ,I just let the silly ******* pay £5 a pint and let the pubs take you for a ride. I can get a box of catridges for that but you lot will sell it to us a £8 a box ,must make as much profit out of the punters . .As growing up ,mmmmm na ! Could never do that and end up like some on here .Go out ,smell the rose's ,,its good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 This topic can now close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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