ordnance Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 no I meant we either have a police force, or anarchy on the streets, public should keep their noses out until they are needed. I wouldn't dream of filming officers trying to keep the peace, its rude at best. That Rastafarian was just another agitator, why do the police want to hire him, why are we tolerating all these separate communities, nonsense. We live in the most surveilled country in the world. We're constantly under scrutiny whilst walking the streets. I've worked at places where I've been filmed, tracked, subjected to searches. It's really not that unusual in the modern world. A member of the public filming a police officer is not breaking the law. Just as a police officer wearing a body cam is not breaking the law. Having an incident on film and audio protects both parties but especially the public party. Why do I say that? Because generally speaking, in a your word vs his word situation, the police officer will be believed over you. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 are you filmed when you are working? no neither am I. I trust the police enough to do their job, without joe blogs the ****-stirrer putting them under more pressure, agitating situations and orchestrating payouts. it weakens policing, if anyone needs to film, its the police themselves, which they do. The police are not perfect, neither am I, its either them or anarchy on the streets. A police Sgt and a pc had made a very malicious email about me accusing me of being aggressive and out of control,i had all my weapons removed for 4 months,lucky for me i had videoed the full three hours of my time with them,and it proved they were totally lying through their teeth to cover up me making a complaint about them. Without that video footage i would have lost my weapons and had a black mark on my file. Not all people are bad and not all police are bad, but proof of an interaction shows the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Barnsley and Rotherham are snided with CCTV cameras and you won't believe how many times the CCTV evidence has been used to disprove malicious allegations about police officers. I've had complaints dismissed after the Rubber Heelers viewed the CCTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Studies have shown that complaints about the police went down by 90 % when they were wearing body cams, it suggests that accountability for the police and the public is the main reason. Edited January 23, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) thanks UK P for posting your credentials as a former officer-serving for 25 years as the sharp end. I recall this was in response to a blunt demand for you to demonstrate your experience to comment. haven't seen a reply as yet. mind you it was only 25 years.... go steady. f. Edited January 23, 2017 by Fuddster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) thanks UK P for posting your credentials as a former officer-serving for 25 years as the sharp end. I recall this was in response to a blunt demand for you to demonstrate your experience to comment. haven't seen a reply as yet. mind you it was only 25 years.... go steady. f. It followed a blunt post making assumptions about me and things he couldn't possibly know. I asked the question but as people can post anything without backing it up I probably wouldn't believe it anyway. PS I am glad he has you to hold his hand for him. Edited January 23, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 crikey, I wish fishing was this easy to get a bite. go on expand- 25 years service versus...... don't see many posts from you regarding pigeons, kits, pics etc so why are you here? mind you in fairness to you I saw your post for a forth coming boxing match so maybe i'm being unfair. although, you do realise the boxers don't have to shout 'I'm going to punch you' before actually hitting each other. sorry for the spoiler. f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 crikey, I wish fishing was this easy to get a bite. go on expand- 25 years service versus...... don't see many posts from you regarding pigeons, kits, pics etc so why are you here? mind you in fairness to you I saw your post for a forth coming boxing match so maybe i'm being unfair. although, you do realise the boxers don't have to shout 'I'm going to punch you' before actually hitting each other. sorry for the spoiler. f. I have posted and responded to plenty of firearms related topics I don't hunt so I won't be posting much about pigeons, I will point out this is in off topic nothing to do with pigeons etc. 25 years service in what scouts boys brigade. ? I Was in the sea cadets if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENGRASS Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I wonder how the person videoing the incident would have reacted if he did not know who the black guy was and then a knife was produced and both officers were stabbed. 1. proceeded to video. 2. stopped videoing and called the police 3. ran away 4. stood and done nothing 5. or went to the assistance of the officers Now everyone who has posted on this topic, be honest. Ask yourselves what would you have done?? and why your honest personal reasoning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I have posted and responded to plenty of firearms related topics I don't hunt so I won't be posting much about pigeons, I will point out this is in off topic nothing to do with pigeons etc. 25 years service in what scouts boys brigade. ? I Was in the sea cadets if that helps. So why choose PW to air your views? Your contributions over 'firearms related topics' range from the simply provocative to the down right ignorant. Now, I can't even excuse you as a fellow shooter with an alternative point of view. Why are you here Ord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 So why choose PW to air your views? Your contributions over 'firearms related topics' range from the simply provocative to the down right ignorant. Now, I can't even excuse you as a fellow shooter with an alternative point of view. Why are you here Ord? why can't he post here not everyone go shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Please keep this discussion on topic and drop the personal attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 thanks UK P for posting your credentials as a former officer-serving for 25 years as the sharp end. I recall this was in response to a blunt demand for you to demonstrate your experience to comment. haven't seen a reply as yet. mind you it was only 25 years.... go steady. f. I couldn't wait to get out of the door. Literally. They had forgotten that I had 7 hours left on my time off card and I kept quiet even from my best friends. The day before I was due to leave I'd cleared my locker, put my files in the internal mail addressed to my sergeant, parked my car right outside the front entrance to the station and then went back in and handed the sergeant my warrant card and keys. All I can remember other than the stunned look in his face was him muttering something about having me down to cover a beat tomorrow and what could he do? Covering a beat on your last day - have you ever known that? I haven't. Next day, my last one I took my stuff to Uniform Stores and handed the lot over the counter. Left without looking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Studies have shown that complaints about the police went down by 90 % when they were wearing body cams, it suggests that accountability for the police and the public is the main reason. Hi. Clarification please. The reduction in complaints could, possibly, be due to two main reasons or a combination of both. 1. The public know they are being recorded and cannot, therefore, make unsubstantiated complaints. 2. The police know they are being recorded and have, therefore, to be procedurally correct (otherwise the complainants complaint can be evidenced). Do the studies to which you refer shed any light on either, either, or the reasons for the reduction. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I couldn't wait to get out of the door. Literally. They had forgotten that I had 7 hours left on my time off card and I kept quiet even from my best friends. The day before I was due to leave I'd cleared my locker, put my files in the internal mail addressed to my sergeant, parked my car right outside the front entrance to the station and then went back in and handed the sergeant my warrant card and keys. All I can remember other than the stunned look in his face was him muttering something about having me down to cover a beat tomorrow and what could he do? Covering a beat on your last day - have you ever known that? I haven't. Next day, my last one I took my stuff to Uniform Stores and handed the lot over the counter. Left without looking back. do you remember the cop, Robert duvall played in the brilliant Michael douglas film, 'falling down' from the 90s? it was his last day and the missus kept checking he was actually coming home for good, great actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Hi. Clarification please. The reduction in complaints could, possibly, be due to two main reasons or a combination of both. 1. The public know they are being recorded and cannot, therefore, make unsubstantiated complaints. 2. The police know they are being recorded and have, therefore, to be procedurally correct (otherwise the complainants complaint can be evidenced). Do the studies to which you refer shed any light on either, either, or the reasons for the reduction. Thanks. It doesn't really matter what the reasons are does it? probably six of one and a half dozen of the other, but its clearly a win-win situation for both sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 It doesn't really matter what the reasons are does it? probably six of one and a half dozen of the other, but its clearly a win-win situation for both sides I agree. There is probably no logical way you can prove that one way or the other. For my part I didn't have a problem with CCTV recording what I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) So why choose PW to air your views? Your contributions over Your contributions over 'firearms related topics' range from the simply provocative to the down right ignorant.. Now, I can't even excuse you as a fellow shooter with an alternative point of view. Why are you here Ord? Back that up with a few examples of ( Your contributions over 'firearms related topics' range from the simply provocative to the down right ignorant.) ? I take part in target shooting IPSC, Police pistol etc and clay pigeon shooting. Is that enough for you to give me your blessing to be on the forum. ? Thought so don't make accusations without the ability or manners to back them up. It makes you look, to quote you. (provocative and down right ignorant.). Edited January 24, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) Hi. Clarification please. The reduction in complaints could, possibly, be due to two main reasons or a combination of both. 1. The public know they are being recorded and cannot, therefore, make unsubstantiated complaints. 2. The police know they are being recorded and have, therefore, to be procedurally correct (otherwise the complainants complaint can be evidenced). Do the studies to which you refer shed any light on either, either, or the reasons for the reduction. Thanks. It seems to be all the reasons you have posted. The PSNI pointed out the study when they recently issued body cams. Police officer body cameras reduce use ... - Daily Mail Online www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908751/New-study-reveals-use... Edited January 24, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 alright Ordnance-in the interests of PW harmony and brotherly love, I retract my comment and apologise. I would hope in future discussions, you and I can take a moment to review our comments before posting and consider its effects on others. til next time, f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 I wouldn't listen to an ex cop who watching a clip of a video decided that the force two other cops used was not reasonable, anyone who has had to use force and understands use of force law knows that there are so many variables involved including how the initiator of the uof felt at the time, intelligence received ect to go on the record and imply they were wrong without a full investigation is naive at best, look at the Charles Demendes(spelling?) case, I know there were unforgivable mistakes made there but it wasn't the officers who pulled the trigger that were in the wrong, anyone who first looked at that would assume the cops who pulled the trigger in that case would be going to jail, however they did their job, unfortunately to utter tragic consequences and that's been proved in court. Just to reiterate, I'm neither condemning or defending the officers in this case, just pointing out that without the full facts, no one can say they were right or wrong, as for those on here who seem to take great delight in bashing the cops at every opportunity they get, I think they should go and Join the police since they have all the answers, I personally feel they'd make the worst officers ever, they'd jump from conclusion to conclusion with total bias and could never impartially investigate any crime, as their mind would be made up before they even arrived to a job or spoke to a witness. Apologies, in the chaff I missed this one. A very interesting point; what was the police intelligence? What if the officers were told that the suspect (a 6' black male with dreadlocks, wearing the same colour trousers and top as chummy who got tasered) was believed to be armed, dangerous and down that very road. I for one would have been reaching for the taser at the get go. Now this thread may return to everyone being rude about one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotguneddy Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Nothing surprises me when it comes to them idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 This topic has run its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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