button Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Big fan of AYAs and came across this https://www.guntrader.uk/mobile/gunDetail.php?NewGunID=170405102534002&skipNo=0&perPage=15&Filter[NewType][shotgun]=1&Filter[NewMechanism][side+by+Side]=1&Filter[Calibre][12+gauge]=1&Filter[Make][AYA]=1&Filter[Model][Dominus+Sidelock]=1&sortField=poa&sortOrder=asc Really fancied this until I saw the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Get you order in quickly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Pretty much perfect, though I would prefer a 3" chamber for future proofing. The price though. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 it became apparent that there was a gap in the market for a more affordable model. Prices start from £18,999 More affordable!! >> £18,999!! I'll have 3. Have them sent round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) Trying to fill a gap for a SxS for the big cartridge high Pheasant boys. Even though nearly all them use heavy over and unders. Make a good Wildfowling at 8lbs gun if it was cheap. Edited May 2, 2017 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Stretches `affordable` a little ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 AyA make a good sound gun, and I wish them luck. That gun looks nice and has lovely wood ........ but at that price there is a huge choice of new and used, many also 'nice and with lovely wood' ........ The AyA model 56 ticked these boxes, but didn't ever sell in big numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Agree,have had a few over the years and all been good ,reliable guns.Still own two but the chasm between new and 2nd hand prices gives the true picture of the market ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 hello, 34g, 3/4/ full choke, live pigeon type gun, 8llb, and side by side, do people realy use this type of shotgun? for high birds and what is high? i know a lot of clay shooters prefere 30/32 barrels for trap shooting , i have been up on the then berkshire downs where the guns were in the valley and pheasants flew over 50/60 yards high you did not shoot, rather un sporting then, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 hello, 34g, 3/4/ full choke, live pigeon type gun, 8llb, and side by side, do people realy use this type of shotgun? for high birds and what is high? i know a lot of clay shooters prefere 30/32 barrels for trap shooting , i have been up on the then berkshire downs where the guns were in the valley and pheasants flew over 50/60 yards high you did not shoot, rather un sporting then, To an extent I agree - I neither could or would shoot at these very long targets given my skill (lack of), and chosen gun/cartridge. But it seems to me that with the right equipment, and a high level of skills, these birds can be killed sportingly ......... but there are few who can actually do it compared to those who like to try. Those who are tat good usually know their capabilities and shoot accordingly, maintaining a good sporting attitude. And yes - there are (a very few) who do use the old best English 'live pigeon' guns, but most use a modern heavy long barrelled o/u. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 To an extent I agree - I neither could or would shoot at these very long targets given my skill (lack of), and chosen gun/cartridge. But it seems to me that with the right equipment, and a high level of skills, these birds can be killed sportingly ......... but there are few who can actually do it compared to those who like to try. Those who are tat good usually know their capabilities and shoot accordingly, maintaining a good sporting attitude. And yes - there are (a very few) who do use the old best English 'live pigeon' guns, but most use a modern heavy long barrelled o/u. hello, thankyou for you reply john, well they might sell a few? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 hello, thankyou for you reply john, well they might sell a few? It looks to me like an upmarket version of the Model 56 (a sort of heavy duty No 1) - and since that was never a big seller, I think 'few' would be the right word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Would much rather buy a used English Gun at that sort of money, H&H, Purdey or the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 It looks to me like an upmarket version of the Model 56 (a sort of heavy duty No 1) - and since that was never a big seller, I think 'few' would be the right word. hello, i often wonder why some gun manufactures bring out models at a big cost of R and D that never sell well, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Would much rather buy a used English Gun at that sort of money, H&H, Purdey or the like. hello, your right bruno, an english side lock ejector cased Purdey, i see a realy nice example for sale in the swindon gun shop £5,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) hello, i often wonder why some gun manufactures bring out models at a big cost of R and D that never sell well, My guess would be that the basic building blocks would be No 56 - which has been in the AyA line up for many years (over 60 years?). It is a 'heavy duty' action, broader, heavier, with side clips (and if memory serves me right a concealed 3rd bite fasterner). I suspect that this has a higher level of finish, better/different engraving (No 56 was pretty good anyway) and fancier wood. Certainly the gun shown in the link in the first post has lovely wood. There are also probably differences in the 'standard' specification (choke, stock dimensions, barrel length, rib etc), but these were always available to customer's order on the higher grade AyAs. Edited May 3, 2017 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Problem is ,the £5k Purdey is a breakdown waiting to happen IF you work it hard.Probably restocked/proofed or otherwise messed with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Problem is ,the £5k Purdey is a breakdown waiting to happen IF you work it hard.Probably restocked/proofed or otherwise messed with. I suspect you are 100% right on this .... but there are (for a similar price to this new AyA) some nice well treated 'live pigeon' English guns. At least one well known and respected English gun specialist usually keeps a range of high quality examples in stock - and it happens to be the type of gun he himself enjoys using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Problem is ,the £5k Purdey is a breakdown waiting to happen IF you work it hard.Probably restocked/proofed or otherwise messed with. hello, it was in true original condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 hello, it was in true original condition Well you should go and buy it quick and sell it on for a good profit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 My guess would be that the basic building blocks would be No 56 - which has been in the AyA line up for many years (over 60 years?). It is a 'heavy duty' action, broader, heavier, with side clips (and if memory serves me right a concealed 3rd bite fasterner). I suspect that this has a higher level of finish, better/different engraving (No 56 was pretty good anyway) and fancier wood. Certainly the gun shown in the link in the first post has lovely wood. There are also probably differences in the 'standard' specification (choke, stock dimensions, barrel length, rib etc), but these were always available to customer's order on the higher grade AyAs. hello, cannot remember the 56 john, over the years i did use the yeoman/ no 3/no 4/ 25/ friend had a no 2 / i did like the matador that a pigeon shooter i knew used in single trigger, all went by and by when the O/U started to be imported into the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Well you should go and buy it quick and sell it on for a good profit ! hello, i wish ha ha, as happened the gun shop owner was waiting for someone to view who i heard did buy, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 hello, cannot remember the 56 john, over the years i did use the yeoman/ no 3/no 4/ 25/ friend had a no 2 / i did like the matador that a pigeon shooter i knew used in single trigger, all went by and by when the O/U started to be imported into the UK It is here http://www.a-s-i.co.uk/PRODUCT%20PORTFOLIO/AYA/AYA%20Sidelocks%20FS.htm It has been available for years, but never sold well in the UK (my guess being due a combination of weight/style and price) compared to the No 1 and No 2. Used example rarely come up for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 It is here http://www.a-s-i.co.uk/PRODUCT%20PORTFOLIO/AYA/AYA%20Sidelocks%20FS.htm It has been available for years, but never sold well in the UK (my guess being due a combination of weight/style and price) compared to the No 1 and No 2. Used example rarely come up for sale. hello, one came up in a holts auction in 2011 estimated at £3,000/£5,000. could not find out what it did sell for. anyway not my idea of a sporting gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Question might just be that ,yep, you can get them here, but where is their target market place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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