Armed police at airport

[Me matt]

If it's so terrible here why don't you leave?

No one else will have him Lloyd 🤣

[Me matt]

I doubt armed police will deter suicide bombers; why on earth would it?

Maybe because getting shot before said scum bag completes his mission would mean said scum bag doenst get his fictitious rewards in an imaginary land 🤔 plus just lately its not all been about the suicide bomber act, you've got your; "run around stabbing people" type & the "I drive vehicles into people" type- both of which would be best dealt with by armed officers. You gotta think outside the box with reigious soilders it would appear...

[wandringstar]

If it's so terrible here why don't you leave?

 

Despite some flaws I think we're genuinely in the greatest country on earth!

 

 

so someone has a point of view, about the people that run this country, and that means they ought to leave the country they were born in, what a funny response.

Yes it did, but that doesn't mean they haven't done good work since then. It also doesn't mean that numerous other planned attacks haven't been foiled before they could happen, but of course you never hear about those.

 

Unfortunately the police will always be criticised for the attempts they fail to stop, but that doesn't mean they aren't working hard in the background. A friend of mine works in the police "cyber-division" and although he can't discuss details I know he makes regular reports to the intelligence services. Unfortunately resources are limited and even if we doubled the size of the police and the intelligence services there would still be atrocities because the terrorists only have to be successful once.

 

A lad I worked with a couple of months ago was telling me he'd spotted armed police around Meadowhall shopping centre in the early hours of the morning. They were obviously drilling for a terrorist event. They are out there doing what they can but unfortunately it will never be enough. Unless of course you'd like us to live under an oppressive police state?

 

 

 

not criticising the police, government is what I am referring to, police are marvellous, as are the other emergency services and the army.

Yes it did, but that doesn't mean they haven't done good work since then. It also doesn't mean that numerous other planned attacks haven't been foiled before they could happen, but of course you never hear about those.

 

Unfortunately the police will always be criticised for the attempts they fail to stop, but that doesn't mean they aren't working hard in the background. A friend of mine works in the police "cyber-division" and although he can't discuss details I know he makes regular reports to the intelligence services. Unfortunately resources are limited and even if we doubled the size of the police and the intelligence services there would still be atrocities because the terrorists only have to be successful once.

 

A lad I worked with a couple of months ago was telling me he'd spotted armed police around Meadowhall shopping centre in the early hours of the morning. They were obviously drilling for a terrorist event. They are out there doing what they can but unfortunately it will never be enough. Unless of course you'd like us to live under an oppressive police state?

 

 

 

 

not criticizing the police, I am referring to the government, the police and other emergency services are marvellous, as are the army.

[Lloyd90]

so someone has a point of view, about the people that run this country, and that means they ought to leave the country they were born in, what a funny response.

Your a serial complainer, your point of view just involves complaining about everything and saying how terrible it all is.

 

Have you ever considered counselling? You have a very dim outlook on life.

[wandringstar]

 

I see good in loads of things, but not in this, you carry on being optimistic, its your right, like its mine to have a view.

 

Counselling wouldn't help me, strong decent government would.

[Retsdon]

At the height of the IRA bombing campaign in the '70s, one night we went to Fleet Street for breakfast at,if I remember, the Express. At that time Fleet Street canteens were the absolute best place in London to get breakfast between 2 & 5 am.

 

On the way home, we came past Downing Street. It was late, we had nothing to do, so we wandered dowm Downing Street. We sat on the steps of number 10, rolled up cigarettes, and sat there, chatting and contemplated the universe. After a while a couple of policemen turned up and told us to **** off home. So we did.

 

The IRA campaign was in full swing. But we were British, the cops were British, nobody for a moment ever questioned any one else's inherent loyalties. That's just how it was.

 

Fast forward 40 years and the country is a mess. When Enoch Powell gave his rivers of blood speech he was vilified. But old Enoch was an eminent historian who knew as matter of fact that 'diverse' societies are recipes for internecine conflict.

 

But he was ignored and here we are and we have a choice. We could kick the aliens out. But that would mean selling our souls to the devil. Alternatively we can try and fashion some kind of common values and sense of acceptance that concedes that the e future is better if we can go at the same goal.

 

In any event the country is what it is right now. Recognizing what it is and going forward is better than moaning and fantasising about what might have been.

[toontastic]

I see good in loads of things, but not in this, you carry on being optimistic, its your right, like its mine to have a view.

 

Counselling wouldn't help me, strong decent government would.

So what do you suggest a strong government should do.

[toontastic]

At the height of the IRA bombing campaign in the '70s, one night we went to Fleet Street for breakfast at,if I remember, the Express. At that time Fleet Street canteens were the absolute best place in London to get breakfast between 2 & 5 am.

 

On the way home, we came past Downing Street. It was late, we had nothing to do, so we wandered dowm Downing Street. We sat on the steps of number 10, rolled up cigarettes, and sat there, chatting and contemplated the universe. After a while a couple of policemen turned up and told us to **** off home. So we did.

 

The IRA campaign was in full swing. But we were British, the cops were British, nobody for a moment ever questioned any one else's inherent loyalties. That's just how it was.

 

Fast forward 40 years and the country is a mess. When Enoch Powell gave his rivers of blood speech he was vilified. But old Enoch was an eminent historian who knew as matter of fact that 'diverse' societies are recipes for internecine conflict.

 

But he was ignored and here we are and we have a choice. We could kick the aliens out. But that would mean selling our souls to the devil. Alternatively we can try and fashion some kind of common values and sense of acceptance that concedes that the e future is better if we can go at the same goal.

 

In any event the country is what it is right now. Recognizing what it is and going forward is better than moaning and fantasising about what might have been.

I notice you had your rose tinted Ira glasses on when you wrote that, what about hotel bombings, mortar attacks on downing street, bombs under mps cars, attacking troops then having secondary attacks on the ambulances arriving, bombs on school buses and collection tins in bars up and down the country raising funds for the cause back home.

 

As for questioning loyalties, I joined the air cadets in 1980 and the other cadets got told I had Irish family and therefore couldn't be trusted 100%.

 

When you say kick the aliens out are you also referring to the many who loyally serve in the forces but receive nothing but abuse when out in uniform.

Edited May 28, 2017 by toontastic

[Scully]

Maybe because getting shot before said scum bag completes his mission would mean said scum bag doenst get his fictitious rewards in an imaginary land 🤔 plus just lately its not all been about the suicide bomber act, you've got your; "run around stabbing people" type & the "I drive vehicles into people" type- both of which would be best dealt with by armed officers. You gotta think outside the box with reigious soilders it would appear...

I don't understand how suicide bombers would be shot beforehand; none of them have big signs on their heads. I can understand how someone clad in a big coat in the heat we've just had could arouse suspicion, but you can't go around shooting folk because of their dress sense.

Surely anyone approached will simply detonate themselves.

How do you combat an enemy willing to die?

Edited May 28, 2017 by Scully

[ordnance]

 

 

Surely anyone approached will simply detonate themselves.

How do you combat an enemy willing to die?

You cain't i don't think anyone is saying you can once they have got to the stage of having the bomb strapped to them, you can prevent them getting into certain areas, but they will just detonate the bomb at the security check or move on to another target. Armed police can stop or end other sorts of attacks, that have being favoured by Islamist terrorists when they don't have access to explosives.

Edited May 28, 2017 by ordnance

[NorfolkAYA]

 

I don't understand how suicide bombers would be shot beforehand; none of them have big signs on their heads. I can understand how someone clad in a big coat in the heat we've just had could arouse suspicion, but you can't go around shooting folk because of their dress sense.

Surely anyone approached will simply detonate themselves.

How do you combat an enemy willing to die?[/quote

 

suicide bombers normally give off signs, police and military are specially trained to spot the signs, hopefully engaging the terrorist before he can cause any harm to civilians

[100milesaway]

Funnily enough I flew into Gatwick on Wednesday lunchtime and was expecting massive armed presence given the Manchester attack and subsequent raising of the threat level.

 

Twisted my way through the border control queue along with a thousand other people and eventually into baggage reclaim, 8 belts running, people everywhere. Then through to the arrivals hall, almost shoulder to shoulder, spilling out into the hall already filled with hundreds of people awaiting family, friends and colleagues.

 

Looked around and proceeded to one of about six exits to the drop off / pick up zone... didn't see a single policeman or security guard let alone SO19 or armed forces.

 

I was shocked.

In my opinion that says that they are doing a good job. What you can see at an airport is the same as what a terrorist can see. I am quite sure security would be in place.Even at Manchester Airport 30 years ago there were at least 5 armed officers around the El Al airlines area but why should Joe Public need to be aware of it. Things today are made too public which detracts from their effectiveness... from Auntie.

[Walker570]

How do you combat some willing to die ...simple kick them out of the country and / or prevent them returning should they leave. Simply revoke their Passport

[toontastic]

How do you combat some willing to die ...simple kick them out of the country and / or prevent them returning should they leave. Simply revoke their Passport

Who would you kick out.

[100milesaway]

In my opinion that says that they are doing a good job. What you can see at an airport is the same as what a terrorist can see. I am quite sure security would be in place.Even at Manchester Airport 30 years ago there were at least 5 armed under cover officers around the El Al airlines area but why should Joe Public need to be aware of it. Things today are made too public which detracts from their effectiveness... from Auntie.

[toontastic]

In my opinion that says that they are doing a good job. What you can see at an airport is the same as what a terrorist can see. I am quite sure security would be in place.Even at Manchester Airport 30 years ago there were at least 5 armed officers around the El Al airlines area but why should Joe Public need to be aware of it. Things today are made too public which detracts from their effectiveness... from Auntie.

There is no place on PW for people like you, don't you know it's against the rules to post well thought out replies.

[100milesaway]

There is no place on PW for people like you, don't you know it's against the rules to post well thought out replies.

from yer Auntie.

[Scully]

 

 

suicide bombers normally give off signs, police and military are specially trained to spot the signs, hopefully engaging the terrorist before he can cause any harm to civilians

Really? Doesn't seem to be working too well does it? What are these signs and how are they engaged?

[wandringstar]

I heard that the intelligence services have passed on evidence of plots and the police couldn't act through fear of the race card being played............can you believe the state of things............I can.

 

I heard that rudd on tv this morning and if I heard her correctly she said 500 plots are currently under top level investigation, at the next level there are 1000, and the next 20000, I hope I heard her wrong, maybe somebody could validate or refute this as I hope I was just having a nightmare.

[ordnance]

Really? Doesn't seem to be working too well does it? What are these signs and how are they engaged?

+ 1

[toontastic]

I heard that the intelligence services have passed on evidence of plots and the police couldn't act through fear of the race card being played............can you believe the state of things............I can

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Where did you hear that, wasn't at a EDL meeting by any chance.

[wandringstar]

Where did you hear that, wasn't at a EDL meeting by any chance.

 

 

pretty much common knowledge I think.

[toontastic]

pretty much common knowledge I think.

Well I'd never heard of the security services passing on good Intel about a terrorist plot, only for the police to reply sorry we can't help because the perpetrators fit a certain demographic.

[wandringstar]

The report I read was referring to the lowest category of potential plot, where there was an early inkling of something, but the police are called off for fear of race card.

 

 

Why would that that be so difficult for you to believe?

 

the edl remark was ridiculous, but I will let it go.

[bullet1747]

never a fan of the sa80 , was one of the first to have one issued in the 80s , although I never had a problem with it i think I was spoilt as my rifle was the SLR when I first joined the forces and it just fitted and suited me for shooting