wymberley Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Need some advice, please, Guys. Before starting fly fishing at the age of 65 and not being a complete idiot I had casting lessons with a qualified instructor. I'm not too bad and don't disgrace myself but at my age a good few more years down the line I'm never going to be brilliant. I use an Airflow Forty Plus fast sinking line in WF7 and am content. I didn't get on too well with my original floating line so was quite pleased when I was given an Orvis one. However, this is worse I find. It simply does not load the rod like the Airflow, is hard work and a slight error has it collapsing into the water because of a lack of line speed. This to an extent whereby I've made my own shooting head which works well for when I get tired Questions: Could this be due to the greater diameter than the sinking equivalent and giving greater resistance through the air? Not suited to the rod? Am toying with getting the Airflow floating equivalent to the sinking line. Good idea? Any suggestions, the rod Is a 3 pce Hardy Demon? Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 You did put the line on the right way didn't you? When I managed a fish farm and fisheries I saw that done all to often.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I use airflow gear all the time because it's cheap and pretty damn good - Their forty plus line is brilliant if you want to cast long and straight (and the bay is a great source for finding it at discounted prices). Is your Hardy Rod a 7 weight as well or lower - Sometimes it pays to go down a weight on rod compared to line. I cast an 8 line on a 7 rod and goes like a bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 The floating lines weren't double taper were they? And I agree For getting longer distance casts, use one size heavier weight line than the AFTM rating on your rod! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Need some advice, please, Guys. Before starting fly fishing at the age of 65 and not being a complete idiot I had casting lessons with a qualified instructor. I'm not too bad and don't disgrace myself but at my age a good few more years down the line I'm never going to be brilliant. I use an Airflow Forty Plus fast sinking line in WF7 and am content. I didn't get on too well with my original floating line so was quite pleased when I was given an Orvis one. However, this is worse I find. It simply does not load the rod like the Airflow, is hard work and a slight error has it collapsing into the water because of a lack of line speed. This to an extent whereby I've made my own shooting head which works well for when I get tired Questions: Could this be due to the greater diameter than the sinking equivalent and giving greater resistance through the air? Not suited to the rod? Am toying with getting the Airflow floating equivalent to the sinking line. Good idea? Any suggestions, the rod Is a 3 pce Hardy Demon? Many thanks. I too have a Hardy Demon 9' 6" 7wt. which I have had for about 2 months. I got it after a friend could not live with it any longer. I have to say it is one of the most 'line fussy' rods that I have ever encountered and even though I am a reasonable caster, I have to use at least an 8 weight line. I only use Snowbee XS lines and do not have any trouble matching line weight with rod on any of my other rods, just the Demon. It certainly does live up to it's name ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) Thanks, Guys. The WF is installed WF. Yes, the Hardy is 7. No, floating are also WF. I seem to remember tryng an 8 and it was too much. However, when making the shooting head I wasn't sure what line size I'd need. Turned out to be 9 but I also got an 8 which I still have intact although these were DT. I'll try it for weight as I'm not sure that memory serves me right and take it from there. Tad confusing because the sinking Airflow in 7 is spot on. Edited June 14, 2017 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I've never had a problem with barrio fly lines, can recommend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 The 40+ lines are basically a one piece shooting head, try a floating one same weight or maybe 1 up. high density sinking lines also have a lower diameter which helps them cut through the air You can also stop/slow the cast as it reaches its max to turn over the leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I've never had a problem with barrio fly lines, can recommend +1 Thanks, Guys. The WF is installed WF. Yes, the Hardy is 7. No, floating are also WF. I seem to remember tryng an 8 and it was too much. However, when making the shooting head I wasn't sure what line size I'd need. Turned out to be 9 but I also got an 8 which I still have intact although these were DT. I'll try it for weight as I'm not sure that memory serves me right and take it from there. Tad confusing because the sinking Airflow in 7 is spot on. The sinking line will always cast better, as its heavier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Is the demon made in England by Hardy or is it made abroad to Hardys design? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Is the demon made in England by Hardy or is it made abroad to Hardys design? Made in Korea, now discontinued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 +1 The sinking line will always cast better, as its heavier. Have I got this right? A sinking 7 which casts well is heavier than a floating 7 which does not cast so well and therefore to load the rod on a par to the sinking line it might pay to use an 8 and possibly of the same make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I would tend to say it is not the line it is the rod. Never been impressed with Hardy rods. I have a Spring Creek 10ft 6/7 which will be kind to you as a beginner trying to throw too long a line ..put it bluntly run before you can walk. Where are you ? Maybe we can do a very good deal on this rod, or if your close enough you could try it out. All the other suggestions above are also very relevant. Striving to chuck a line another yard or two can destroy your rhythm and the fish could be right under your feet already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 hello, my friends just bought some rio lines on special from sportfish, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) I would tend to say it is not the line it is the rod. Never been impressed with Hardy rods. I have a Spring Creek 10ft 6/7 which will be kind to you as a beginner trying to throw too long a line ..put it bluntly run before you can walk. Where are you ? Maybe we can do a very good deal on this rod, or if your close enough you could try it out. All the other suggestions above are also very relevant. Striving to chuck a line another yard or two can destroy your rhythm and the fish could be right under your feet already hello, hardy rods when they brought out the new named glass rod ? my £5 lamiglass threw a line better Edited June 15, 2017 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I've never had a problem with barrio fly lines, can recommend yes son has those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I would tend to say it is not the line it is the rod. Never been impressed with Hardy rods. I have a Spring Creek 10ft 6/7 which will be kind to you as a beginner trying to throw too long a line ..put it bluntly run before you can walk. Where are you ? Maybe we can do a very good deal on this rod, or if your close enough you could try it out. All the other suggestions above are also very relevant. Striving to chuck a line another yard or two can destroy your rhythm and the fish could be right under your feet already Take your point. However, as a clue, 45 yards with a 12 bore is enough for me. If I cast too far then where I fish the fly will end up on the opposite bank of the lake (pond?) I can comfortably without effort - too much of that is where it all goes wrong - lay the sinking line - before it disappears - in a straight line on the surface at probably just below 25 yards - more than enough. It would be nice to do the same with the floating line but at the moment it looks like the route home taken by the village drunk after 10 pints of scrumpy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Made in Korea, now discontinued. I feared as much! I have many Hardy rods from Palakona cane to carbon fibre, all made in the UK.........I will never buy another new Hardy rod unless it's made by Hardy in the U.K.!......foreign made rubbish!.........you just buying the name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I feared as much! I have many Hardy rods from Palakona cane to carbon fibre, all made in the UK.........I will never buy another new Hardy rod unless it's made by Hardy in the U.K.!......foreign made rubbish!.........you just buying the name! Possibly true, but I'll forgive them their sins. I'm still using my 1967 2-4 oz Longbow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodach Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Check out Barrio fly lines. Mike will give you good advise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Take your point. However, as a clue, 45 yards with a 12 bore is enough for me. If I cast too far then where I fish the fly will end up on the opposite bank of the lake (pond?) I can comfortably without effort - too much of that is where it all goes wrong - lay the sinking line - before it disappears - in a straight line on the surface at probably just below 25 yards - more than enough. It would be nice to do the same with the floating line but at the moment it looks like the route home taken by the village drunk after 10 pints of scrumpy. You might just have a bad one. I had a Shakespeare line many moons ago and it just would not lie straight. The shop owner where I purchased it was a friend and he took me to Shakespears at Redditch and the Managing Director was tearing his hair out. Apparently they had took on a new lad who set up the very intricate machine which coats the lines incorrectly and it was putting all the plastic coating on one side but because the line tends to revolve as it feeds through it made it like a cork screw. They had hundreds like that. Let's just say Shakespeare more than fully compensated me, but it was brilliant just to watch how lines are made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Have I got this right? A sinking 7 which casts well is heavier than a floating 7 which does not cast so well and therefore to load the rod on a par to the sinking line it might pay to use an 8 and possibly of the same make. Yes, a sinking line is heavier than a floater, that's how it sinks. It may only be heavier by a few grams, if you have electronic scales weigh them. Modern lines now come rated in grams and grains, and believe me a few grams can make all the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 You might just have a bad one. I had a Shakespeare line many moons ago and it just would not lie straight. The shop owner where I purchased it was a friend and he took me to Shakespears at Redditch and the Managing Director was tearing his hair out. Apparently they had took on a new lad who set up the very intricate machine which coats the lines incorrectly and it was putting all the plastic coating on one side but because the line tends to revolve as it feeds through it made it like a cork screw. They had hundreds like that. Let's just say Shakespeare more than fully compensated me, but it was brilliant just to watch how lines are made. You might just be right. I've just cleaned some lines and the 7 floating seemed rough - not in the........scrub that, seemed lumpy is better. Gave it a stretch and it seemed better but a few seconds later it was bck to lumpy. I wouldn't have noticed but this morning I tried the 8 I've got for rod loading. It's a cheapy but by comparison it's as smooth as silk. Suffice to say I've ordered a new 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 what did you order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Yes, a sinking line is heavier than a floater, that's how it sinks. It may only be heavier by a few grams, if you have electronic scales weigh them. Modern lines now come rated in grams and grains, and believe me a few grams can make all the difference. Handy tip. I used the scales when working out the weight for the shooting heads for fresh and sea versions. Soon be time for the mackerel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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