Wingman Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Guys, now I am not condoning or supporting the validity of this but found the perspective very interesting! Worth a read. http://fb.me/zKGxvM3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 It's interesting . But in my opinion completely deluded . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 I cant be bothered to read a massive block of text. Whats the summary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 I cant be bothered to read a massive block of text. Whats the summary? Statistics can rationalise anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Exactly what dm said . And apparently Americans think, just because some of em own a 9mm pistol and an ar15 That they would be organised to resist an whole us military force that want to suppress then ?? (Why would they anyway ) Total joke .and the crappest reason to own a belt fed .50 cal or what ever , I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted October 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 I agree and interesting how much time someone must have invested in writing it. Deluded is about right at the end of the day I still cant see why a nation needs to feel the need to own AR 15s and a myriad or military grade weapons and thats after being a shooter all my life and spending 12 years in the UK army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 They, the Yanks have it in their make-up, it will never be addressed properly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted October 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Bit like owning a .50 cal for target practice. WHY? Oh yes its about freedom and shooters rights. Bull**** if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Bit like owning a .50 cal for target practice. WHY? Oh yes its about freedom and shooters rights. ******** if you ask me. But NOT if you are American and brought up on their values, I don't think we will ever really comprehend the set up over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Bit like owning a .50 cal for target practice. WHY? Oh yes its about freedom and shooters rights. ******** if you ask me. You can buy a .50 cal in the UK for target shooting, have you a problem with that. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 A .50 bolt action must be almost the most useless gun for mass killings .heavy, long ,slow .and difficult to aim and acquire new targets .great for long range helicopter shooting and targets . No I have no problem with target shooting with a .50 cal in the UK . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Stephen paddock Suffered from the worst form of gun sickness possible . I believe. He shot those people not to specifically kill them (Though its obvious that would be the case ) but because he wanted to have moving targets. The police say he seems to have no political motive or agenda . That Is because this wasnt about the people he killed at all .it was all about himself .his own amusement and glory .he even filmed himself .he took 23 guns to that room and planned it for weeks .why ? Cos he couldnt leave his any of his babies behind .he wanted to try em all out and probably had his favourites. .people say that the gun isn't the problem you can kill people loads of ways you don't need a gun . (That's true ) but if you WANT to use your many many guns .and its not personal to the victims then the gun is the problem . I believe he started his interest in guns and he got sicker and sicker .gun sickness taking over his life and left totally unchecked led to the worst conclusion possible . Remove those guns and possibly that sickness wouldnt have got so bad . I think Americans should take small steps in controlling weapons of mass killing ability for (That's all they are good for ) and hopefully in time reduce the weapons to sensible numbers and for decent reasons of ownership . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 And reduce the potential for this sickness to get to such a level . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Stephen paddock Suffered from the worst form of gun sickness possible . I believe. He shot those people not to specifically kill them (Though its obvious that would be the case ) but because he wanted to have moving targets. The police say he seems to have no political motive or agenda . That Is because this wasnt about the people he killed at all .it was all about himself .his own amusement and glory .he even filmed himself .he took 23 guns to that room and planned it for weeks .why ? Cos he couldnt leave his any of his babies behind .he wanted to try em all out and probably had his favourites. .people say that the gun isn't the problem you can kill people loads of ways you don't need a gun . (That's true ) but if you WANT to use your many many guns .and its not personal to the victims then the gun is the problem . I believe he started his interest in guns and he got sicker and sicker .gun sickness taking over his life and left totally unchecked led to the worst conclusion possible . Remove those guns and possibly that sickness wouldnt have got so bad . I think Americans should take small steps in controlling weapons of mass killing ability for (That's all they are good for ) and hopefully in time reduce the weapons to sensible numbers and for decent reasons of ownership . Posts consisting of mostly assumptions dont really contribute much to a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Posts consisting of mostly assumptions dont really contribute much to a debate. Thats a bit harsh……. I thought his post was a balanced contribution to a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyefor Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Statistics can rationalise anything. "71% of people who suffer a heart attack will never have another one" They die from the first one? "100% of people who have an appointment to see you, will die"" Doctor friend's first day of medical school. And after a long pause "..but when they die and how they die, you can influence". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Thats a bit harsh. I thought his post was a balanced contribution to a debate. Fair enough, but If you remove the assumptions theres not a lot left to debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandladdie Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) The only thing UK has in common with the US, it has a shared language. Murca is a strange place, with a completely different set of values. I don't see the point in owning such guns, Ar15 etc I just can't justify it. But should that stop anyone else owning them? I'm not sure. It's supposed to be a free country. On that note, my experience of the US is that it isn't that free, it's catastrophically paranoid. Edit - bloody auto correct Edited October 6, 2017 by Highlandladdie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I largely agree with his rationale on the stats. It's the same here that far more people die or are disabled from easily avoidable health problems than any other cause. But when he goes into the rant about Orwellian governments vs armed citizenry I started yawning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I believe he started his interest in guns and he got sicker and sicker .gun sickness taking over his life and left totally unchecked led to the worst conclusion possible . Do you know his gun history. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I don't see the point in owning such guns And that is exactly what the Gun Control Network say about us......................... How can we possibly defend gun ownership when we are only too ready to throw other gun owners under a bus because WE don't like the type of guns that they use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandladdie Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 And that is exactly what the Gun Control Network say about us......................... How can we possibly defend gun ownership when we are only too ready to throw other gun owners under a bus because WE don't like the type of guns that they use. Totally agree. I think you misunderstood my post slightly. Take it more in a - I don't see the point of a bugatti veyron, I just can't justify it. Should they be banned? - Sort of vein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 £1.5 million and costs more for a service that I paid for my car........................... ya right, I don't see the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) This was interesting. America doesn't seem to be quite the murder capitol of the world when you look at the figures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate Oh, and the UK has a murder rate of just 0.92 murders per 100,000 Edited October 7, 2017 by Graham M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburban shooter Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 An American policeman who is a famous hand gunner once showed me a map of the US states and their gun crime and gun murder stats. He then put an acetate overlay which showed the states and their gun law strictness. The states with the toughest gun laws ( some are like the UK ) had the highest gun crime whereas the states with the slackest gun laws had the lowest. They are adamant that their citizens must be able to own the same rifle that their government gives to it's armed forces; as it is the armed citizens that kicked us British out and created their country via revolution. We have a faith that our government will always be on the side of the citizens and so don't see their point. He also said that the stats show that skinny 4 ft 6 blonde girls with .357 magnums in their handbags don't get raped. Anyone in the UK can buy a silencer but in the USA you need a section 5 licence go figure !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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