tigger got stichs Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 £500ish to spend on fac 22 air not to worried about age of gun looking for views on accuracy and reliability and ease of spares if nessasery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 If you want reliability and lots of spares Look at air arms or bsa . I wouldn't go for a regged bsa r10 . I'd go with the scorpion Or air arms s 510 /410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 I’ve got an AirArms S410 Extra FAC and it’s superb. Currently putting out 28ft/lb and very accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgewizard Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Hi ive owned a daystate x2 in 40 ftlbs for 10 years the only thing ive replaced is the breech seal fantastic gun, with good stopping power out to 70 yards on rabbits using 21 grain h n barracuda match pellets.Just bought a new rifle to a daystate regal xl in 40 ftlbs again deadly accurate, expensive but worth every penny. Being hand built you do get a descent rifle that will last years so if you can find one for the money you would have a good rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Are all PCP's not "hand built" Hedgewizard? I am not aware of any built by robotics - Air Arms hand build their guns after manufacturing the vast majority of their own parts "in house" - can Daystate say the same? Just asking Edited January 3, 2018 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Ha Ha I read the word daystate earlier and thought someone will bite guaranteed. back to the op, I bought a webley Axor for the very reason your saying, reviews say it was designed for fac, and its supposed to be a simple conversion. hopefully one day I'll find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 BSA Scorpion is always a good value option. I would be interested in everyone's views on the best power level. 35lb seems about right; 40+ seems like overkill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant.mass Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 You cant beat a FAC Rapid 7 i have owned a FAC rapid for over 16 years now and it has never let me down only thing ive replaced is a cpl seals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 hours ago, DC177 said: BSA Scorpion is always a good value option. I would be interested in everyone's views on the best power level. 35lb seems about right; 40+ seems like overkill. That's a good question . And it largely depends on your chosen pellet. . Basically you don't want to significantly exceed 900 fps. As accuracy goes to pot with most pellets. I shoot a13.4 grn .22 at around 870 fps for 23 fpe. A 16 grn at 900 fps is 28 fpe .an 18 grn jsb at 900 is 32 fpe a 21 grn bis mag at 900 fps is about 35 fpe (ish ) Personally i don't like heavy weight pellets .they carry too much energy a long way for my liking and don't transmit energy as well as a lighter one. For a good balance the 16 grn jsb at 28 fpe takes some beating. Ps they all have the same trajectory and enough retained energy at all useable ranges. So it comes down to accuracy , air amount used and pellet fall out risk . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just calculated a 21 grn bis mag at 900 fps is 37.7 fpe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Playing with Chairgun suggests that 28lb with 16Gn AADF pellets would do very nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger got stichs Posted January 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 was looking at s410 extra / stalker 10 / bsa t10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Thing that's worth remembering is that the difference between getting a pellet to say 28 fpe and the same pellet up to 35 fpe .is a massive jump in air usage per shot. Probably double the amount. So shot count is reduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 That's another good point. Plus the risk of seals blowing must increase as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 It does My .22 fac is a bsa ultra its accurate powerful and short And gives enough shots for hunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 I was advised by the Ratworks that the Ultra was too short for fac conversion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickerup Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 anybody out there got an fx streamline .22 fac are they any good thanks p/u. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant.mass Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 mate i has a fx streamline and i have a FX cyclone both of them are very good but not a touch on my rapid im getting 80+ shots at 30fpe with BisMags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasher Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 6 hours ago, Ultrastu said: That's a good question . And it largely depends on your chosen pellet. . Basically you don't want to significantly exceed 900 fps. As accuracy goes to pot with most pellets. I shoot a13.4 grn .22 at around 870 fps for 23 fpe. A 16 grn at 900 fps is 28 fpe .an 18 grn jsb at 900 is 32 fpe a 21 grn bis mag at 900 fps is about 35 fpe (ish ) Personally i don't like heavy weight pellets .they carry too much energy a long way for my liking and don't transmit energy as well as a lighter one. For a good balance the 16 grn jsb at 28 fpe takes some beating. Ps they all have the same trajectory and enough retained energy at all useable ranges. So it comes down to accuracy , air amount used and pellet fall out risk . Very good information, especially the last two points. Personally I shoot a .22 RWS Excaliber which is a Webley FX2000 variant, this is set at 28ft/lb using 16gn AA's and gives me 34 shots within a 7ft/sec spread without a regulator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 hours ago, DC177 said: I was advised by the Ratworks that the Ultra was too short for fac conversion... Thats funny as bsa used to make the bsa ultra as a fac gun in .22 around 20 fpe. And that was the older mmc version . Jd hunter on here .has a hybrid ultra fac .177 and gets around 40 shots I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Well sorted Rapid 7 there's nothing finer my friend, or how about a hw80 springer ?. That would be fun sawston country store has one going for peanuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgewizard Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 16 hours ago, bruno22rf said: Are all PCP's not "hand built" Hedgewizard? I am not aware of any built by robotics - Air Arms hand build their guns after manufacturing the vast majority of their own parts "in house" - can Daystate say the same? Just asking To be honest never thought of it that way, only no when you order a daystate you have to wait 4 to 8 weeks due to them being handbuilt,thats coming from daystate,i do own a s200 and a rws excaliber to, the later being made in sweden which is a nice rifle in the the 12ftlbs variant and very accurate,the s200 my lad uses which has a magazine conversion in 177 and nice to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasher Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, bigman said: Well sorted Rapid 7 there's nothing finer my friend, or how about a hw80 springer ?. That would be fun sawston country store has one going for peanuts I'd agree about a Rapid................... if you could find one for under £500 that hasn't had every Tom D1ck and Harry having ago at "Tuning" it. Edited January 3, 2018 by Dasher Doesn't like "Richard" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Ps they all have the same trajectory and enough retained energy at all useable ranges. So it comes down to accuracy , air amount used and pellet fall out risk . Never thought about trajectory with .22 fac, does it stay loopy then or flatten out given the extra fps? And I doubt your chances of finding an un abused rapid for around £500 but you never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 A 900 fps. Pellet is usually zeroed at 40 yds. Given a standard scope height . 800 fps pellet 35 yds 700 -30 yds . 600- 25 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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