More Semi autos ? Or just my imagination?

[grrclark]

7 minutes ago, stevo said:

I had to adjust mine to get it shooting how I like , but it’s not the end of the world bet it took me 20 mins .

yes you really do need to have a go on the sportrap with one , as soon  as you get in that cage and powder your first target your be grinning like a mad man ? 

It is definitely on the list  

[Guest stevo]

Yep the noises too haha , 

even our very own commonwealth games Olympic trap shooters can’t get enough of the semi  autos . 

If it’s good enough for Aron heading it’s good enough for us mortals. 

Aron heading messing about with my beretta AL391 Teknys last week , the day before he went down under to shoot for GBR in commonwealth games . 

I rekon he would have rather taken my auto than the DT11

 https://www.dropbox.com/s/i0t2uetkxch646m/Photo 24-03-2018%2C 15 13 07.jpg?dl=0

[a303]

I use an auto for all sporting simply because I shoot an auto a damn site better than any O/U I’ve ever shot. 

Certainly do seem to be seeing more and more out there and that’s a bloody good thing in my eyes. 

[Robertt]

The Americans have been doing clays with autos for years.

In 1975, at the famous Remington Great Eastern Skeet Championships, Patricia Malinosky, the wife of a Remington employee, became the first woman to score 100 straight in registered .410-bore competition. She did it with a Model 1100. Interestingly, her husband, Carl, also ran a perfect 100 in the same event and lost the ensuing shootoff to his wife. During the same shoot, in the industry competition, Remington’s Jimmy Prall, using four Model 1100s, set a new skeet and world record of a perfect 500 x 500 in four different gauges. Throughout the country, countless other new skeet records were being set with Model 1100s.

Edited April 4, 2018 by Robertt

[Gordon R]

Probably more 100 straights shot with a Remington 1100 auto than any other gun in history. Duncan Lawton - twice World champion - and the late, great Jim Stafford - British Open Sporting winner - both used the Remmy.

[Catamong]

6 hours ago, Robertt said:

The Americans have been doing clays with autos for years.

 

Yes, this was evident to me when I shot the very first Beretta World Sporting shoot in San Antonio, Texas, in 1992, I was so impressed by the way all of the Yanks handled semi autos on Sporting clays, it made me give one a serious go when I got back here in the UK.

But, they do handle so differently from an O/U, I now only use one on pigeons, (a Benelli Black Action Supersport, arguably the ultimate pigeon gun..?).

What is also interesting is those Yanks who were shooting Semis so well at Sporting back in the 90's have now almost all switched over to O/U's, and in my opinion those few top Sporting shots here in the UK who use semis have generally made the move as a result of recoil issues that have impaired their performance with an O/U..?

I can't speak for the Skeet or Tarp brigade, as I shoot neither seriously.

Cat.

[Salop Matt]

I like semi-autos but for me now they are for rough walk rounds doing pest control or for shooting from a hide. For the little I do of either I got rid of my M2.

Am always tempted to have another back but its not worth the expense currently.

 

[Robertt]

I think you're dead right Catamong.

Looking back I think I had recoil issues using the 32g load and would have benefitted from an auto.

On the 100 bird comps I would be well up there and then struggle on the last 25. At the time I thought it was fatigue creeping in but in hindsight I think it was recoil.

 

[islandgun]

On 31/03/2018 at 14:22, stevo said:

I had to adjust mine to get it shooting how I like , but it’s not the end of the world bet it took me 20 mins .

yes you really do need to have a go on the sportrap with one , as soon  as you get in that cage and powder your first target your be grinning like a mad man ? 

Ive just bought a S/A with an adjustable comb and that seems to fit me better than any other gun ive had so far

[Guest stevo]

9 minutes ago, islandgun said:

Ive just bought a S/A with an adjustable comb and that seems to fit me better than any other gun ive had so far

Your going to have some cracking fun with that ?

i have just had my custom bolt and button realease turn up from the USA today. So will be fitting that on later with a bit of luck ?

[shalfordninja33]

51 minutes ago, stevo said:

Your going to have some cracking fun with that ?

i have just had my custom bolt and button realease turn up from the USA today. So will be fitting that on later with a bit of luck ?

What brands did you buy Stevo? I think you have an AL391 like me and I'm curious to see what you've bought, i love a tinker with mine!

[Guest stevo]

4 hours ago, shalfordninja33 said:

What brands did you buy Stevo? I think you have an AL391 like me and I'm curious to see what you've bought, i love a tinker with mine!

I bought the  Brilley  EZ BOLT RELEASE LEVER and a Brilley extension bolt handle from the states cost me £110.00 from. Brownells , Just fitted it all ??? 

Edited April 5, 2018 by stevo

[shalfordninja33]

14 hours ago, stevo said:

I bought the  Brilley  EZ BOLT RELEASE LEVER and a Brilley extension bolt handle from the states cost me £110.00 from. Brownells , Just fitted it all ??? 

Nice ! Thanks, I like the look of the bolt handle

[Harnser]

I have always had a self loader and love them to bits . I have used them for every kind of shooting including driven game . This snobbery about semis not being used for driven game shooting really annoys me . My present gun is a urika 11 that is used as a hide gun and because of the shims that are provided with the gun fits me like a glove , low recoil and ease of loading in the hide make this gun a must for pigeon shooters . I do take my other guns out mostly to give them an airing .

 

Harnser

[Wb123]

Personally I dont like them, that said I have only ever shot one which was (breifly) borrowed, it made all manner of off vibrations as it cycled, flung the case out in a manner I found distracting, and I didnt like the feel of the ejected gas on my face (shooting into the wind). To be fair I shoot left handed and this was a right handed gun, so was always likely to cause problems.

I dont like shooting around people with them after a few incidents of howlingly bad muzzle awareness (not limited to semi users but it does seem to be a theme as a more traditional gun spends only a tiny percentage of its time unbroken). I also perceive them to be very very noisy if stood towards the ejecting side compared at least to unported traditional guns.

I really hate shooting down the line next to someone with one constantly firing cases and noise at me (it really spoils the fun).

My better half seems to feel even more strongly about the above points than I do (she hated the borrowed one interestingly and she shoots right handed).

I hear endless tales about them being a nightmare to keep clean and reliable... I could go on

All that said I would love to try a modern left handed semi and see what it is that people love about them, perhaps that would make me forget all the above. I have a bps pump i rather like and imagine a gas operated semi automatic version could be nice to shoot.

 

 

 

[Guest stevo]

34 minutes ago, Wb123 said:

Personally I dont like them, that said I have only ever shot one which was (breifly) borrowed, it made all manner of off vibrations as it cycled, flung the case out in a manner I found distracting, and I didnt like the feel of the ejected gas on my face (shooting into the wind). To be fair I shoot left handed and this was a right handed gun, so was always likely to cause problems.

I dont like shooting around people with them after a few incidents of howlingly bad muzzle awareness (not limited to semi users but it does seem to be a theme as a more traditional gun spends only a tiny percentage of its time unbroken). I also perceive them to be very very noisy if stood towards the ejecting side compared at least to unported traditional guns.

I really hate shooting down the line next to someone with one constantly firing cases and noise at me (it really spoils the fun).

My better half seems to feel even more strongly about the above points than I do (she hated the borrowed one interestingly and she shoots right handed).

I hear endless tales about them being a nightmare to keep clean and reliable... I could go on

All that said I would love to try a modern left handed semi and see what it is that people love about them, perhaps that would make me forget all the above. I have a bps pump i rather like and imagine a gas operated semi automatic version could be nice to shoot.

 

 

 

Hmmm I don’t know where to start with the above , but maybe a stick removal of some sort maybe in order as a good starting point . 

[cervusman]

I used a Remington 1100 12b for every thing including skeet many years ago, my wife shoots a Remington 1187 12b and I have just bought a Remington 1100 410 skeet gun to take up skeet shooting again.

[Gordon R]

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Personally I dont like them, that said I have only ever shot one which was (breifly) borrowed, it made all manner of off vibrations as it cycled, flung the case out in a manner I found distracting, and I didnt like the feel of the ejected gas on my face (shooting into the wind). To be fair I shoot left handed and this was a right handed gun, so was always likely to cause problems.

I dont like shooting around people with them after a few incidents of howlingly bad muzzle awareness (not limited to semi users but it does seem to be a theme as a more traditional gun spends only a tiny percentage of its time unbroken). I also perceive them to be very very noisy if stood towards the ejecting side compared at least to unported traditional guns.

I really hate shooting down the line next to someone with one constantly firing cases and noise at me (it really spoils the fun).

My better half seems to feel even more strongly about the above points than I do (she hated the borrowed one interestingly and she shoots right handed).

I hear endless tales about them being a nightmare to keep clean and reliable... I could go on

All that said I would love to try a modern left handed semi and see what it is that people love about them, perhaps that would make me forget all the above. I have a bps pump i rather like and imagine a gas operated semi automatic version could be nice to shoot.

 

No trace of bias against autos at all. Just about all of the alleged problems with autos could be levelled at pump actions, but the poster uses one, seemingly without the very same problems. Just a bit odd and very inconsistent.

I don't like shooting around people with baseless prejudices -  they seem to have "howlingly bad muzzle awareness".  

[PPP]

I love my 9 shot semi auto as a hide gun, but it’s no way near as refined or pleasant to shoot as by OU or SXS, the trigger pull for a start is more agricultural.  I’d probably use it for Clays on a semi auto day where you are presented with 3 targets and have full use of the gun but for normal days when it’s just two targets and two cartridges I fail to see the point.

At a time when there are low recoil cartridges ( I suffer recoil despite having guns fit) I dont see why people use them for clays other than practice for pigeon shooting.

[Wb123]

12 hours ago, Gordon R said:

No trace of bias against autos at all. Just about all of the alleged problems with autos could be levelled at pump actions, but the poster uses one, seemingly without the very same problems. Just a bit odd and very inconsistent.

I don't like shooting around people with baseless prejudices -  they seem to have "howlingly bad muzzle awareness".  

 

I dont use the pump on clays, specifically because I expect other people to be twitchy about it. It comes out only when shooting alone and works very well for that. Also it ejects downwards and cycles as smooth as silk which solves the other major dislikes I found with the semi. 

I stand by the fact that a better experience with a semi may make me think again about them, the inability to break the things will likely remain a problem but if very nice to shoot I might be won over. Berreta apparently made a two shot semi that ejected downwards and broke like a traditional gun but I have never seen one.

 

[Gordon R]

If you shot a semi and liked it, I presume all your illogical prejudice would disappear.

[Newbie to this]

55 minutes ago, Wb123 said:

Berreta apparently made a two shot semi that ejected downwards and broke like a traditional gun but I have never seen one.

This one

https://youtu.be/hYZOevdCObU

[Wb123]

1 hour ago, Gordon R said:

If you shot a semi and liked it, I presume all your illogical prejudice would disappear.

I suspect it would make me view them more positively, if i found one nicer than my pump to shoot I would be open to having one in the cabinet for use when shooting alone.

[Danger-Mouse]

10 hours ago, PPP said:

 

At a time when there are low recoil cartridges ( I suffer recoil despite having guns fit) I dont see why people use them for clays other than practice for pigeon shooting.

Maybe they just hit more with them.

Wb123 - I was very much like you and didn't like semis when I first shot one. The mechanical noise was very off putting and the gun just didn't feel right. I had no plans to buy one until whilst out pigeon shooting I was struggling to hit anything with my pump and tried a few shots with my mates Escort Magnum semi. Nailed the first bird I pointed it at and never looked back from there.