figgy Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Anyone had the issue of BPI TPS 3” wads being to long to get a crimp, it’s around 6mm longer than a B&P s35 or SAM1 wad and only leaves 5.5mm of free case at the top for crimp. Tried to crimp a few but awful and had to cut them and recover shot powder and primer. Tried a new 3” Chedite case in case it was dues to pre crimped once used cases no different. The photo is a TPS next to a S35 wad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 50 minutes ago, figgy said: Anyone had the issue of BPI TPS 3” wads being to long to get a crimp, it’s around 6mm longer than a B&P s35 or SAM1 wad and only leaves 5.5mm of free case at the top for crimp. Tried to crimp a few but awful and had to cut them and recover shot powder and primer. Tried a new 3” Chedite case in case it was dues to pre crimped once used cases no different. The photo is a TPS next to a S35 wad Not going to help Figgy BUT that's one reason along with price i don't use them . I use B&P 35 with the load you asked about have done for years patterns very good if i do my bit kills as far as I'm confident to shoot Geese. Yes I've cut them down but if you cut them same size as a B&P35 they still are a problem due to bottom of the wad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 I've never had that issue. Just compared a 3" sam1 and 3" tps. The tps is approximately 3mm longer than the sam1. Both suit me fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipper Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Have you tried RTO Dipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 yes i have mate, thought it was just me ! had to cut them down as resulting cartridge lead to issue's with my semi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 4 hours ago, 6.5x55SE said: Not going to help Figgy BUT that's one reason along with price i don't use them . I use B&P 35 with the load you asked about have done for years patterns very good if i do my bit kills as far as I'm confident to shoot Geese. Yes I've cut them down but if you cut them same size as a B&P35 they still are a problem due to bottom of the wad I know what your getting at , the internal volume is the same as a S35. Because of the design and the gas seal and bottom of wad takes up more room than other cases . I measured them inside to see if they were different but same depth. How do manufacturers get 38g of B.B. in a 3” case? 36.5 g and I can’t get a decent crimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, figgy said: I know what your getting at , the internal volume is the same as a S35. Because of the design and the gas seal and bottom of wad takes up more room than other cases . I measured them inside to see if they were different but same depth. How do manufacturers get 38g of B.B. in a 3” case? 36.5 g and I can’t get a decent crimp. What factory shells can you get that are 38gm BB in 3"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 don't always believe what you read on cartridge boxes re speed or volume also can be down to industrial powder taking up less space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, motty said: What factory shells can you get that are 38gm BB in 3"? NSI Steel 38hp ill have a look see if I can find the topic I posted about NSI Waterfowl cartridges, one of the members posted a pic of a box of carts 3” 38g 11/3 oz carts the Waterfowl carts are 35g same as we can squeeze into a 3” wad. Here you go Edited April 1, 2018 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Saltings said: don't always believe what you read on cartridge boxes re speed or volume also can be down to industrial powder taking up less space +1 In this case the use SPL powder which seems an I dustrial only powder and a slower version of the SP family (maybe for .410 magnum) appear to be the solution. BTW I doubt very much that NSI would use any case or primer other than their own so...it'll be interesting to see the wad they use, I think is either the B&P or the Gualandi but it might be a purpose made one Edited April 1, 2018 by Continental Shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 40 minutes ago, figgy said: NSI Steel 38hp ill have a look see if I can find the topic I posted about NSI Waterfowl cartridges, one of the members posted a pic of a box of carts 3” 38g 11/3 oz carts the Waterfowl carts are 35g same as we can squeeze into a 3” wad. Here you go I have seen the 38gm in 2s, but not BB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 Not had this problem with SAM 1, TPS or multi Metal wads in 3 inch Federal or Fiocchi cases, have used some Cheddite cases as well I think with these wads. I use Steel, Blue Dot and Longshot powders shot loads 1 to 1.25 oz. Largest steel shot I have used is B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 Not sure how some are not having a problem with a wad 1/4” longer than others, makes it 1/4” to high a stack to crimp. Check the length of your TPS wads against the others you have. I might have a odd batch. 6 hours ago, motty said: I have seen the 38gm in 2s, but not BB. You may be right there Motty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 2 hours ago, figgy said: Not sure how some are not having a problem with a wad 1/4” longer than others, makes it 1/4” to high a stack to crimp. Check the length of your TPS wads against the others you have. I might have a odd batch. You may be right there Motty. Figgy have you checked they are not 3.5" wads . I've cut all the 3.5 down my father gave me as i don't load 3.5 cartridges but I'll look later to try and find one to measure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 The 3.5 " wads are longer than the rest too .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatsanmad Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 I would stick with EU wads mate. B&P and gulandi wads. Both really good wads both fit really well in cheddite rio and fiocchi hulls and both give good patterns and hold there pressure better tps and multi metal are better suited with remington Winchester cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 I have some 31/2” wads mixed in with the S35 wads from clay & game I’ll have to check the lengths but I’m sure they were a good bit longer that the 3” wads the TPS look in between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 16 hours ago, hatsanmad said: I would stick with EU wads mate. B&P and gulandi wads. Both really good wads both fit really well in cheddite rio and fiocchi hulls and both give good patterns and hold there pressure better tps and multi metal are better suited with remington Winchester cases Hold their pressure better? Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky gipsy Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Hi Sorry to jump onto this thread but I have been following it along with Figgy's other one regarding Aliant steel as I am thinking about doing just the same next season. I am interested in the recipie that Hatsanmad gave for a 36g load using B&P s35 wads. Am I right in thinking these wads need splitting & if so how far down do folk recommend? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, sky gipsy said: Hi Sorry to jump onto this thread but I have been following it along with Figgy's other one regarding Aliant steel as I am thinking about doing just the same next season. I am interested in the recipie that Hatsanmad gave for a 36g load using B&P s35 wads. Am I right in thinking these wads need splitting & if so how far down do folk recommend? Thanks Personally i split 4 ways 3/4 way to the bottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky gipsy Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 hours ago, 6.5x55SE said: Personally i split 4 ways 3/4 way to the bottom OK. Thanks for the advise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 7 hours ago, motty said: Hold their pressure better? Please explain. American wads are under calibrated (aboutb 0.715mm) to suit US hulls, EU wads are (about 0.725mm). Hence why on manuals, certain wads when coupled with EU hulls, normally need a gas seal or nitro card underneath. Not sure about the ones mentioned though, I know NSI wads are 0.727 mm so, only taking a guess at what hatsan meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatsanmad Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 That's exactly what I meant mate. Tps and mm are not a good fit in EU hulls. They are loose and the base of the wads won't cover the powder so you will get a lot of blow past. So the pressures will be way down meaning speed won't be suitable to even make a clean kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 hours ago, hatsanmad said: That's exactly what I meant mate. Tps and mm are not a good fit in EU hulls. They are loose and the base of the wads won't cover the powder so you will get a lot of blow past. So the pressures will be way down meaning speed won't be suitable to even make a clean kill. Must admit, though they may be slightly loose fitting, I have never had a problem with speeds or getting clean kills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) I would have thought the pressure would push the sealing skirt open and seal the wad up the barrel. Otherwise overbored guns would never get a wad to seal and be useless. some pre slit wads are slit all the way down to base. Edited April 3, 2018 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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