Robertt Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 I have a AYA No 2 which ejects the empty cases an unnecessarily silly distance. My concerns are, that if a loader for instance caught one in the eye, it would be no laughing matter. Retreival of empties, especially in woodland is a real pain and shutting the gun is not as easy as it could be. I don't want to convert it to a non ejector. I've got a feeling this is not as simplistic as I think but would a straight swap with softer springs do the trick ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Most Spanish gun seen to have over strong ejectors . Simple answer is to have the springs weakened , either by re tempering , or by slimming down to reduce there strength . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Robertt said: I have a AYA No 2 which ejects the empty cases an unnecessarily silly distance. My concerns are, that if a loader for instance caught one in the eye, it would be no laughing matter. Retreival of empties, especially in woodland is a real pain and shutting the gun is not as easy as it could be. I don't want to convert it to a non ejector. I've got a feeling this is not as simplistic as I think but would a straight swap with softer springs do the trick ? I did read your penultimate sentence. Posting just in case yopu're not aware of Gough Thomas' solution even though by the sound of it this may not be the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 i had my aya 2 souped up...stronger springs fitted...the reason was when i was shooting near newmarket we were only allowed to use paper cases as they rotted down quick and wouldnt get caught in a horses throat when they cut for hay...........so thats why you have stronger sprung ejectors...as the paper cases if not kept properly would swell causing ejection issues.......... i used the gun on a GYWA clay day one time with the button pusher standing behind me....i told him to move ...he said shud up and get orn with it.....so i did....one of the cases caught him on the bridge of the nose......he bled like a stuck pig...next time he saw me he was 20ft behind me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Don't buy a 3 1/2 inch S/A for Wildfowling then! Lol! Try finding ejected cases, 3 to 4 meters away in thigh high marsh undergrowth.........In the dark!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 I find most s/s (English as well as Spanish) have over powered ejectors. I have got into the habit of just putting my hand over them as I open the gun, or turning it slightly away as I open it if I'm in a real hurry to reload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I find most s/s (English as well as Spanish) have over powered ejectors. I have got into the habit of just putting my hand over them as I open the gun, or turning it slightly away as I open it if I'm in a real hurry to reload. Exactly as above, I have always shot side by sides and cannot really say that my AYAs eject any harder than my English guns, you will find that any good loader is more than aware of where your empty shells are going, so just enjoy your No.2, both cases should land next to each other if the ejectors are set right, not that it matters but a gunsmith friend of years ago was adamant that top guns should! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Hi I’ve just been talking to my loader about this and he assures me that when he opens my guns to reload that he wants the empty case out and as far away as possible no time to fiddle pulling it out and get it back to my hand ready for the next shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertt Posted May 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Am seeing a gunsmith midweek and will discuss tempering the springs. It would also be nice if it shut with less effort. Shooting this week and will take the rangefinder and measure the mad distance these cases travel. In the meantime I have been ejecting them vertically so they don't land too far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 hello, i have a victor sarasqueta 6 E C and it is the same, tight to shut and strong ejectors, 1975 and maybe shot a few thousand cartridges, its up for sale but not a taker, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, Robertt said: Am seeing a gunsmith midweek and will discuss tempering the springs. It would also be nice if it shut with less effort. Shooting this week and will take the rangefinder and measure the mad distance these cases travel. In the meantime I have been ejecting them vertically so they don't land too far away. I`ve got a No4 that had previously had the springs `eased` ,its been a pita since I got it refusing to eject certain makes and has had one spring replaced as a result already .The other will follow.... I`d much rather have too good ejectors personally,especially the way cases are going quality wise ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 I don’t want spent cartridges in the gun so better strong than weak. Then a mag stick picks them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 I agree, no point in having ejectors if they won't eject the spent cartridge case out of the gun! Weakening the ejector springs may render the ejectors unreliable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertt Posted May 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 It would be nice to get it like my No 4 which ejects well but easily shut. Or think outside the box and dig the bullworker out of the shed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Robertt said: ejects well but easily shut. There is a lot of variation in the closure; on normal (Southgate type and many others) ejectors used on s/s guns, the ejector is an 'over centre' type action. The best have the ejector springs compressed over virtually the whole angle through which the barrels move on closure, going finally 'over centre' almost as the breech faces meet the standing breech. These usually close nicely and easily because the energy used in compressing the ejector springs is spread through the whole closure movement. Some seem to do the compressing of the springs more in the initial part of the closure movement, and go over centre well before the gun is fully shut. In my (limited) experience, these are the ones that feel 'hard' to close, and the action is quite 'uneven' in force through the closure movement. They also seem to close with a more pronounced 'snap' which can feel quite 'jarring'. Guns like this are noticeably less 'pleasant' to use. I have been told that regulating ejectors (and getting it just right) needs a lot of experience and is a bit of a 'black art'. When just right, the closure should be smooth, progressive and not over stiff at any point, and the ejection should be reliable - and spent cartridges travel out side by side land neatly together as has been stated earlier in this thread. Edited May 28, 2018 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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