wildfowler.250 Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Right gents, here’s the question. Currently I share firearms with the old man, no biggy. Moving in with the girlfriend soon,(can of worms) 8 hours away and I was going to take a rifle / shotgun with me. Issue is that the girlfriend’s flat is rented and typically, newly refurbished. No real utility cupboard either. I can’t imagine the guy is going to be keen for me to put 4 big bolts into the wall,(floor no better). Any way around this? There must be heaps of folk on here renting and still managing to store their guns. The safe itself isn’t an issue. It’s just how do I secure it to the building without making a huge mess of the place and,(even with 4 neat bolts) losing deposit ect? Worst case scenario is I can leave the guns at my folks but it’s far from ideal and likely future places will be rented as well. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 No problem i have done this twice. Speak to the landlord and explain situation. Pay if you have to an additional bond (£100?) to cover the repair if you vacate and do not repair. Or just do it and accept that you have to put it right when you go. I advised my landlord in both cases and they were happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Inform the landlord, they will probably be impressed that you chose to inform them, rather than just doing it. They will probably see you as a responsible tenant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) You have to be very careful about rented properties because most landlords download pre written generic contracts which ban everything including parties, pets, guns, drilling holes in walls etc. two choices, inform landlord and hope for an adult response or do it anyway but carefully restore damage properly before leaving (my choice) Edited January 28, 2019 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 An added complication is whose name is on the tenancy agreement, I assume gf? If it is in her name it’s not for you to do anything including approaching the landlord. If you are varying the tenancy agreement to add your name, and they will charge you for it, you might check then that you are allowed to fix things to the walls. Some do not even allow picture hooks. If you go ahead and just do it the agent will pick it up on inspection so you can’t get away with it. My conclusion is therefore you/gf have little choice but to say what you are doing and hope they agree. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted January 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dave at kelton said: An added complication is whose name is on the tenancy agreement, I assume gf? If it is in her name it’s not for you to do anything including approaching the landlord. If you are varying the tenancy agreement to add your name, and they will charge you for it, you might check then that you are allowed to fix things to the walls. Some do not even allow picture hooks. If you go ahead and just do it the agent will pick it up on inspection so you can’t get away with it. My conclusion is therefore you/gf have little choice but to say what you are doing and hope they agree. good luck Cheers for the help guys, appreciate it all the suggestions! Dave you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head, that’s basically all the things the GF has been saying! She hasn’t even got pictures/paintings on the wall. So really I’ve to go on the agreement then ask about adding holes to the wall, which they may well say no. And if I crack on and do it anyway it could be tricky. She’s worried if it gets noticed on an inspection we’ll get turfed out. Nightmare the whole thing because I can imagine even if we changed flat it would be a similar story. Thanks again! Edited January 29, 2019 by wildfowler.250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 There might be an RFD nearby willing to offer storage at reasonable cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted January 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Thanks! Does anyone do this? It’s not ideal for just grabbing the gun and going and possibly damage would be a worry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 If you are worried about an inspection then hide the cabinet in a wardrobe with the back cut out/removed so the cabinet can still be bolted to the wall, if you are happy with not informing the landlord, just remember you may loose your deposit or some of it at least if the landlord hasn't agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 As a landlord I would expect a tenant to ask to fit a cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted January 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: If you are worried about an inspection then hide the cabinet in a wardrobe with the back cut out/removed so the cabinet can still be bolted to the wall, if you are happy with not informing the landlord, just remember you may loose your deposit or some of it at least if the landlord hasn't agreed. Sadly there’s no fixed wardrobe! Just moveable cupboards we’ve bought 57 minutes ago, Seadog1408 said: As a landlord I would expect a tenant to ask to fit a cabinet. I don’t mind asking. It’s just if you get a no it’s a bit difficult. As a shooter and landlord I can imagine you see both sides of that. Other people might not be so flexible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, wildfowler.250 said: Sadly there’s no fixed wardrobe! Just moveable cupboards we’ve bought Doesn't need to be fixed (the wardrobe), just needs to hide the cabinet Edited January 29, 2019 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 I asked my landlady, turned out she owned her late husbands guns, so all was ticketyboo. I just made good when I moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Can;nt be any worse than tenants bolting bloody 60" flat screen tv;s onto the chimney breast Which they do in my properties without asking permission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 My landlord gave me the bolts to fix mine to the wall. Depends entirely on the landlord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Having rented many places I would say bolt it in, hide it inside a suitable bit of furniture, make good when you leave. Every conversation I have had with prospective landlords and letting agents has either brought a fast 'no' or the property goes to someone else. Each landlord I have had has found out and ultimately been begrudgingly accepting (finding new tennents is not without cost to them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wb123 said: Each landlord I have had has found out and ultimately been begrudgingly accepting (finding new tennents is not without cost to them). That is a very good point. My landlady was very disappointed when I gave her notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 11 hours ago, wildfowler.250 said: Cheers for the help guys, appreciate it all the suggestions! Dave you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head, that’s basically all the things the GF has been saying! She hasn’t even got pictures/paintings on the wall. So really I’ve to go on the agreement then ask about adding holes to the wall, which they may well say no. And if I crack on and do it anyway it could be tricky. She’s worried if it gets noticed on an inspection we’ll get turfed out. Nightmare the whole thing because I can imagine even if we changed flat it would be a similar story. Thanks again! My day job is dealing with property problems; thankfully not usually residential. Most of them stem from somebody doing what they shouldn’t or not doing something they should. Both usually end in disaster and if in this case your landlord is antishooting by just doing this gives an excuse to end the tenancy, or at least try. Probably parroting what the gf has said but probably not worth the risk without permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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