Smokersmith Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 I’ll ask Cecil at Whaplode unless someone gets there first. 8 hours ago, lancer425 said: Any ideas who would be a good supplier to try and get some through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 On 02/03/2020 at 13:04, lancer425 said: Its non lead meets our legislation . so you are happy for lead to go because it's toxic but quite happy with copper because it would be legal but still toxic?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, andrewluke said: so you are happy for lead to go because it's toxic but quite happy with copper because it would be legal but still toxic?? Good point 👍and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, andrewluke said: so you are happy for lead to go because it's toxic but quite happy with copper because it would be legal but still toxic?? I do not make the rules i just obey them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Just now, lancer425 said: I do not make the rules i just obey them. but you keep saying lead has to go because it's toxic??,if that's the case why would you use copper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Good point 👍and Drink enough water it will kill you, drink not enough it will kill you, everything is DANGEROUS> If you look hard enough you could find fault in every food every shot type and every fuel. its all a case of picking the least Dangerous bismuth is safer than lead in the bigger scheme of things. 2 minutes ago, andrewluke said: but you keep saying lead has to go because it's toxic??,if that's the case why would you use copper? Because its non Lead. that’s what the law is interested in. i am not a Environmentalist, i just obey rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 1 minute ago, lancer425 said: Drink enough water it will kill you, drink not enough it will kill you, everything is DANGEROUS> If you look hard enough you could find fault in every food every shot type and every fuel. its all a case of picking the least Dangerous bismuth is safer than lead in the bigger scheme of things. I’m sure it all is however there’s no point in expanding energy creating a cartridge that could be banned in 5 years because it’s toxic hence my efforts will be going on the steel shot route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Drink enough water it will kill you, drink not enough it will kill you, everything is DANGEROUS> If you look hard enough you could find fault in every food every shot type and every fuel. its all a case of picking the least Dangerous bismuth is safer than lead in the bigger scheme of things. Because its non Lead. that’s what the law is interested in. i am not a Environmentalist, i just obey rules. then why do you keep preaching that lead has to go because it's toxic?,lead is either toxic or it's not and if it is then why would you use copper? or if it's legal it cant be toxic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Old farrier said: I’m sure it all is however there’s no point in expanding energy creating a cartridge that could be banned in 5 years because it’s toxic hence my efforts will be going on the steel shot route Wasting time developing cartridges is a cross we must bear i am afraid. Look at all the plaswad Non lead loads worked on by companies and individuals over the past 21 years , now all outdated. Its the way things are. Look at the money expense gone into petrol engines and diesel engines over 150 years. all soo to be moved to history, in favour of old technology power stations and huge carbon foot print short lived wind farms. > The lunatics have taken over the asylum there is nothing we can practically do other than Fir between the lines NEATLY if we can. Greens have got the soap box and look to be dictating everything right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, andrewluke said: then why do you keep preaching that lead has to go because it's toxic?,lead is either toxic or it's not and if it is then why would you use copper? or if it's legal it cant be toxic Because it is toxic just like copper probably slightly less toxic than copper in actual fact. But Lead is just that LEAD. We are NON LEAD. Not Non Copper. This is not about lead this is about Necessary change, we knew it was coming, its here NOW. If Lead is the target after the quality of defence lead got from BASC over the past two years, Its clearly DEAD. Just embrace this move on and go with the advice as close as you can . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) I plan to shoot hard for the next 5 years mainly fowling and pigeons and then pack up. My ticket is for renewal this autumn so the renewal will get me to the 5 years. The whole lead/steel shot debacle is a load of old ********, l was at a presentation last Thursday by a member of BASC council who clearly said cartridge makers were consulted. Then we get contradictory statements from 2 uk firms on friday stating the opposite. I for one won't be sold down the river to protect big commercial shoots who rear, shoot and then try to sell immoral and unethical volumes of game birds while claiming that what they do is sustainable when it clearly is not. Edited March 7, 2020 by grahamch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 I would like to hear from the cartridge manufacturers what they intend to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/get_the_lead_out/pdfs/Scientists_Heatlh_Impacts_letter_3-13.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, lancer425 said: https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/get_the_lead_out/pdfs/Scientists_Heatlh_Impacts_letter_3-13.pdf I see the two British signatories are involved with and/or held senior positions within the RSPB, and are/were involved in Swifts (allegedly biased) Lead Ammunition Group!.....hardly shining lights of independence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 20 hours ago, panoma1 said: I see the two British signatories are involved with and/or held senior positions within the RSPB, and are/were involved in Swifts (allegedly biased) Lead Ammunition Group!.....hardly shining lights of independence! Exactly . We do not yet know what kind of creature we are dealing with here, we need to watch and wait it will crawl out in due course. . I am now 99% certain the 2 cartridge firms are being economical with the truth in my opinion and i think i know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, lancer425 said: Exactly . We do not yet know what kind of creature we are dealing with here, we need to watch and wait it will crawl out in due course. . I am now 99% certain the 2 cartridge firms are being economical with the truth in my opinion and i think i know why. mate i’m not getting into it with you but i nailed basc down yesterday david ignored my request to pony up proof basc are not lying so the ONLY conclusion that can be drawn is they ARE the ones who lied and that is good enough for me basc lied NOT the makers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 Wait and see what crawls out the undergrowth yet, you might just change your mind. Watch and wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Wait and see what crawls out the undergrowth yet, you might just change your mind. Watch and wait. not a problem mate the best way to bury fools is let them dig the hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 I’ll wager it’ll be down to what each side considers as consultation. In most conflict, both sides are ‘right’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: I’ll wager it’ll be down to what each side considers as consultation. In most conflict, both sides are ‘right’. all i can say is the conversation is on the other post everyone can judge for their self i’m happy enough it’s solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 I will not speculate on which side is telling the truth, merely comment that telling people what is going to happen, is not consultation....though some try to pass it off as such! Whatever it is a PR disaster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 On 07/03/2020 at 22:11, grahamch said: I plan to shoot hard for the next 5 years mainly fowling and pigeons and then pack up. My ticket is for renewal this autumn so the renewal will get me to the 5 years. The whole lead/steel shot debacle is a load of old ********, l was at a presentation last Thursday by a member of BASC council who clearly said cartridge makers were consulted. Then we get contradictory statements from 2 uk firms on friday stating the opposite. I for one won't be sold down the river to protect big commercial shoots who rear, shoot and then try to sell immoral and unethical volumes of game birds while claiming that what they do is sustainable when it clearly is not. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 On 07/03/2020 at 22:11, grahamch said: I plan to shoot hard for the next 5 years mainly fowling and pigeons and then pack up. My ticket is for renewal this autumn so the renewal will get me to the 5 years. The whole lead/steel shot debacle is a load of old ********, l was at a presentation last Thursday by a member of BASC council who clearly said cartridge makers were consulted. Then we get contradictory statements from 2 uk firms on friday stating the opposite. I for one won't be sold down the river to protect big commercial shoots who rear, shoot and then try to sell immoral and unethical volumes of game birds while claiming that what they do is sustainable when it clearly is not. Really let down by those who stand and say they represent us, take our money and then do what the membership would have voted against, if a vote had been held . I hope they hang their heads in shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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