Ultrastu Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Another potential problem with high friction slugs is that they can put more stress on firing cycle of a pcp . So the orings and valves .springs etc are put under greater pressures . Ive seen this on my mates wildcat fac when he turned to power up to drive the slugs at a reasonable speed .the extra pressure build up before the slug started to move (friction) blew us breech seal oring out a few times . He had to lower the power to stop it .then the slug was going too slow to be accurate . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Smooth Twist or Smooth Twist X stu? Not sure that the original ST is suitable for Slugs - the X ,I believe, is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 I know there is another thread in this section that veered onto 'slugs', but the main topic was FAC air. As this thread is about sub 12, and I hope the two power levels don't get blurred, this new 'super slug/pellet' looks like it will only shoot best through a limited amount of barrels/liners,,,, according to some peoples findings. So basically, you can't just buy them, fire them, a bit of tweaking and they'll be as accurate as you need them. A very very limited market I think, in all power variants 🤔 I'll just stick to the diablo design thanks,,,, but it will be interesting to see if the 'wheel' can be reinvented 🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 The hybrid is designed to shoot through standard pellet barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 11 hours ago, JKD said: Pork chop,,,, you originally asked this question, so I'm responding to this, ie sub 12 🙂 And I've quoted stu above to highlight a possible (guess?) issue 🤔 I'm talking sub 12, as pork chop asked in his opening post 😉 Not interested in fac power,,,, never going to go there as I don't need to 🙂 TBH, if slugs, or any other different pellet design/option, worked well, I'd give them a go. I thought they were just used in fac but seen a couple of posts regards their use in sub 12 .Did find some but at £18 per 100 I’ll be sticking to jsb heavies for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Cost more than shotgun carts, madness total pee take for a small piece of swaged lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, pork chop said: I thought they were just used in fac but seen a couple of posts regards their use in sub 12 .Did find some but at £18 per 100 I’ll be sticking to jsb heavies for now Like I said,,,, trying to reinvent the wheel 😏 And I'm sure that even at fac levels, they aren't going to suit all barrels/liners. So in my opinion, why bother ? I know it's probably called 'progress', or an attempt at least, but things only progress if they work in all potential uses 😇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, JKD said: Like I said,,,, trying to reinvent the wheel 😏 And I'm sure that even at fac levels, they aren't going to suit all barrels/liners. So in my opinion, why bother ? I know it's probably called 'progress', or an attempt at least, but things only progress if they work in all potential uses 😇 But they are working ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 2 hours ago, pork chop said: I thought they were just used in fac but seen a couple of posts regards their use in sub 12 .Did find some but at £18 per 100 I’ll be sticking to jsb heavies for now So, you've seen a "couple of posts regards their use in sub12",,,,, 14 minutes ago, pork chop said: But they are working ? ,,,,, and you say they are working ? And at the extortionate cost you won't be buying any 🤔 I'm even more convinced to steer well clear 😁 ATVB 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, JKD said: So, you've seen a "couple of posts regards their use in sub12",,,,, ,,,,, and you say they are working ? And at the extortionate cost you won't be buying any 🤔 I'm even more convinced to steer well clear 😁 ATVB 👍 Jesus Christ people are using the who are happy with them ,if ya got nowt better to say jog on cos I’m bored of you now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, pork chop said: Jesus Christ people are using the who are happy with them ,if ya got nowt better to say jog on cos I’m bored of you now Oooohh,,,, so sorry to have an opinion, and air it and discuss it on a forum,,,, TTFN precious 😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, JKD said: Oooohh,,,, so sorry to have an opinion, and air it and discuss it on a forum,,,, TTFN precious 😘 ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 10 hours ago, pork chop said: ***** Conversation over 👸🧚 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 22 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Another potential problem with high friction slugs is that they can put more stress on firing cycle of a pcp . Would putting slug through a pellet sizing guide to shave down by 0.01mm work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Possibly .but its the huge contact surface area thats the issue Remember a pellet has a very narrow head contact and skirt contact areas . This is to reduce friction and make the guns more efficient .meaning more shots and a less stressed firing cycle . Also if you make the slug too narrow then you will get blow pass reducing the velocity. Its a VERY fine line to walk . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Thin skirt at rear would solve it, they are mostly hollowed out, a bit more won't harm the slug but may help with speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 22 hours ago, figgy said: Cost more than shotgun carts, madness total pee take for a small piece of swaged lead. Totally agree. The move towards slugs rather than pellets is a specialist target shooters thing is it not? 8 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Possibly .but its the huge contact surface area thats the issue Remember a pellet has a very narrow head contact and skirt contact areas . This is to reduce friction and make the guns more efficient .meaning more shots and a less stressed firing cycle . Also if you make the slug too narrow then you will get blow pass reducing the velocity. Its a VERY fine line to walk . I can't see me moving to slugs. I've just ordered a FAC .25 FX Crown which should be with me fairly shortly. My Daystate was getting old and.....such and such. For the life of me I can't see me moving to slugs? Why would I do such a thing? The Crown will be an honest vermin gun out to about 90 yards. Small British pests in the optics no racoons in the sightline !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Whitebridges wait until they bring out the .25 hybrid slugs and you try them. You'll be saying pellets are for sub12 or low power around and in buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowdy Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 I used to use some Air arms? .22 fac 40gr slugs in my .22 Hornet center fire reloads for plinking and shooting rabbits.These might also be useful for the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 hello, slugs is what we called normal air rifle pellets many years ago, proper Berkshire accent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratass Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, slugs is what we called normal air rifle pellets many years ago, proper Berkshire accent I can remember dad calling them cat slugs. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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