The Heron Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 Well one million two hundred thousand confirmed cases and nearly fifty seven thousand deaths and yet the Americans still press ahead with opening up their country unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) Well its one way to thin out the ageing population. Edited April 28, 2020 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) What is the population of the USA and what in percentages does that give in comparison to the UK ? There are some States with a very low incidents of the virus due to the very thin population, so I can understand that they might be able to ease things a bit but still take precautions. I read that the USA had over 80,000 deaths from normal flu last year. Edited April 28, 2020 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Walker570 said: What is the population of the USA and what in percentages does that give in comparison to the UK ? There are some States with a very low incidents of the virus due to the very thin population, so I can understand that they might be able to ease things a bit but still take precautions. We have 28 deaths per 100,000 the USA have 17 deaths per 100,000. Other countries death rates per 100,000 Belgium is 57 , Italy and Spain are 40+ , France is 33 and Germany is 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 minute ago, toontastic said: We have 28 deaths per 100,000 the USA have 17 deaths per 100,000. Other countries death rates per 100,000 Belgium is 57 , Italy and Spain are 40+ , France is 33 and Germany is 7. Thanks for that info. So the Yanks are not doing too badly compared with everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Walker570 said: What is the population of the USA and what in percentages does that give in comparison to the UK ? Not sure at all but guess similar. I think it will go through any country roughly the same, i don’t think governments policies are huge game changers. I think a nations integrity to follow guidelines is way more impact on death rate than when they shut schools shops or borders. The USA are not following social distancing, rioting want to go back to work etc, they are . THE WILD WEST. I think our modern USA / UK culture has reflected in our death rate here, we will never know this. But if this had happened say 70 years ago, medicine aside. i think the lock down would have been better completed and in a more responsible way then than now. But that’s just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 Quote I read that the USA had over 80,000 deaths from normal flu last year. Where did you get that figure from. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 Now your asking. It was either on the MSN News or in the Telegraph this morning. Definitely reported, I am not making it up. BUT with the enormous amount of fake news being thrown around these days regarding the virus, by all means make enquiries and see what comes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Thanks for that info. So the Yanks are not doing too badly compared with everyone else. The thing is though every country has its own criteria for reporting death as covid related. Germany for example only class it as covid related if there are no other underlying issues. So death in one country could be put down as covid, where as somebody with the same medical history and also testing positive for covid in another country could be put down as something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, toontastic said: We have 28 deaths per 100,000 the USA have 17 deaths per 100,000. Other countries death rates per 100,000 Belgium is 57 , Italy and Spain are 40+ , France is 33 and Germany is 7. Worldometer states it slightly differently from your figures. Transposed into your units of measurement of "per 100k" and therefore subject to being slightly rounded off: Belgium 63 Spain 51 Italy 45 France 36 UK 32 USA 18 USA's death curve is well on the downward slope. New cases flattened off and visibly decreasing. Who's got their approach right? Time will tell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 That is more or else my view on the figures, because quite a few reports say other underlying conditions and certainly in care homes, the folks there are there because of underlying conditions, so you would expect it to have a greater impact there. I am not in any way saying the virus is not dangerous as Boris will confirm, but I think if you are already not healthy then catching it is going to make the situation much worse. Doubt if we would ever be told or even if it was possible but it would be interesting to have a figure for each category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Jim Neal said: Worldometer states it slightly differently from your figures. Transposed into your units of measurement of "per 100k" and therefore subject to being slightly rounded off: Belgium 63 Spain 51 Italy 45 France 36 UK 32 USA 18 USA's death curve is well on the downward slope. New cases flattened off and visibly decreasing. Who's got their approach right? Time will tell... Well looking at those figures seems the USA folowed by the UK got it right. But how it pans out. No idea, I am surprised at those numbers i must admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Jim Neal said: Worldometer states it slightly differently from your figures. Transposed into your units of measurement of "per 100k" and therefore subject to being slightly rounded off: Belgium 63 Spain 51 Italy 45 France 36 UK 32 USA 18 USA's death curve is well on the downward slope. New cases flattened off and visibly decreasing. Who's got their approach right? Time will tell... I had looked at a few sets of figures and they all appeared to have slight differences. But they all showed Belgium at the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Now your asking. It was either on the MSN News or in the Telegraph this morning. Definitely reported, I am not making it up. BUT with the enormous amount of fake news being thrown around these days regarding the virus, by all means make enquiries and see what comes up. I found this the big difference is that there is a vaccine for the flu that helps keep it under control, but not for CV. Quote CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 Population of the USA is around 328 million in comparison to the UK’s 67 million ( figures are there, or thereabouts ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 The problem is that every thing is being blamed on coronavirus or we cured pneumonia, flu, and upper respiratory infections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 Quote The problem is that every thing is being blamed on coronavirus or we cured pneumonia, flu, and upper respiratory infections. No, deaths that are recorded as CV are caused by CV not flu etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted April 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 According to the BBC news this morning the coronavirus has killed more people in America in a few months than those that died in twenty years in Vietnam which ever way you look at the figures or play percentages that is a huge amount of deaths over and above what would be normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 13 hours ago, toontastic said: I had looked at a few sets of figures and they all appeared to have slight differences. But they all showed Belgium at the top And yet I've not heard Belgium mentioned on the news? Spain and Italy yes, but never a thing about Belgium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mice! said: And yet I've not heard Belgium mentioned on the news? Spain and Italy yes, but never a thing about Belgium. Because they've only had a few thousand deaths Edited April 29, 2020 by toontastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, toontastic said: Because they've only had a few thousand deaths That'll be why then. I've just had a look at the published figures, there are certainly some strange one, I just don't think some places must be testing or reporting the deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 43 minutes ago, Mice! said: And yet I've not heard Belgium mentioned on the news? Spain and Italy yes, but never a thing about Belgium. Belgium has the highest rate of CV-19 death per head of population in the whole world. 642 deaths per million of population. Spain 509 Italy 452 France 353 UK 326 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mice! said: That'll be why then. I've just had a look at the published figures, there are certainly some strange one, I just don't think some places must be testing or reporting the deaths. It's why just looking at the amount of deaths is a bit misleading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLAGUE Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 A pretty good site for all the stats. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 Apparently Spain and Italy only partially report deaths outside hospitals (it is up to local regions to decide whether to or not), France does, Germany counts deaths in care homes but only if people have tested positive for the virus. Belgium, on the other hand, includes any death in which a doctor suspects coronavirus was involved. it’s not even Apples and Oranges. It’s Apples and cheese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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