Getting back to work

[Old farrier]

3 minutes ago, clangerman said:

i do apologise i bit before thinking sorry 

You really need to get out more 😂😂😂

joke before you bite again 👍

[AVB]

50 minutes ago, Bumble said:

It seems that the BMA also agrees with the NEU, or are they now also suddenly downgraded from ‘heroes’ to ‘cowards’ for failing to toe the gov’t line? https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-doctors-back-teachers-fears-over-schools-reopening
 

Of course they will. The BMA is the doctors union. 

[henry d]

1 hour ago, Jaymo said:

- we, like schools, start back on 1st of June 

There are plenty of schools that have only been off for a week since lockdown including working through Easter, however it is mainly firefighting as the guidelines are either sketchy, non existent or change regularly. No masks aprons or gloves.... just wash or sanitise and that includes intimate care. I'm just glad she is retiring at the end of the academic year, and she is NOT going back to help out!

[Raja Clavata]

32 minutes ago, clangerman said:

certainly can’t argue with those on the front line thanks for that expert opinion from those more than qualified to make the call on if teachers are safe think that answers it for us 

United front of Unions, who could have imagined such a thing. Please define safe and point us to the HSE guidelines on this?

[Jaymo]

1 hour ago, Old farrier said:

Snide remarks 

dentist is number 1 on the most dangerous job list would you feel safe being one or going to one? 
 

the rest of the comments you quoted were for jamo and I’m sure I shall hear the bells when he flies over at 20.000 feet 

Bells???? Nope, I shall be leaving trails of deadly chemical ‘con trails’ or are they ‘Chem trails’ 😂😂😂😂

20,000’, with the lighter pax loads will now easily make 41000’, get away from all the bickering and arguments going on here and everywhere it seems......my Kids will be back too

Forgot, definitely not being pressured into returning- be nice to be back and back to full pay too ( for how long until redundancy looms we don’t know, but what’s that about sunshine and jay?)

 

30 minutes ago, henry d said:

There are plenty of schools that have only been off for a week since lockdown including working through Easter, however it is mainly firefighting as the guidelines are either sketchy, non existent or change regularly. No masks aprons or gloves.... just wash or sanitise and that includes intimate care. I'm just glad she is retiring at the end of the academic year, and she is NOT going back to help out!

Indeed, my children’s School, like many others has continued to offer education to those who were eligible. 

My SIL is a head teacher, she doesn’t wish to return- reason? Because she says she has enjoyed being in her PJ’s too much 

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

I did say if it's gonna go on a while, you mentioned a few weeks, I meant several months. I do agree it would be a challenge though, it was just an idea if the situation looks like persisting.

Not much experience with large groups of kids, but I'm fully proficient at "herding cats" based on my career 🙂

I was saying weeks because they are aiming for opening in June, long term who knows.

[Old farrier]

40 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Bells???? Nope, I shall be leaving trails of deadly chemical ‘con trails’ or are they ‘Chem trails’ 😂😂😂😂

20,000’, with the lighter pax loads will now easily make 41000’, get away from all the bickering and arguments going on here and everywhere it seems......my Kids will be back too

Forgot, definitely not being pressured into returning- be nice to be back and back to full pay too ( for how long until redundancy looms we don’t know, but what’s that about sunshine and jay?)

 

Indeed, my children’s School, like many others has continued to offer education to those who were eligible. 

My SIL is a head teacher, she doesn’t wish to return- reason? Because she says she has enjoyed being in her PJ’s too much 

nice to see you along with others have managed to keep your sense of humour 😊😂👍👍
 

Dam I forgot about the chem trails although they work as I forget things 😂

can you get a accurate drop at 41000 feet? 
Wouldn’t want to randomly spray the wrong ground with it 🤔

hopefully you can be one of the lucky people or unlucky depending upon how you look at it 

that keep there jobs 

I see you’re in the top 25% high risk category so top tip 👍try not to sneeze on landing 

all the best 

of 

[millrace]

Surely to ease tensions all teachers /lecturers should be the first to take the antibodies test,including newly qualified and those who are substitute teachers,thereby producing a pool to base teaching from........?

[Retsdon]

56 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Pull in external teaching resources where major gaps exist, if it's gonna last a while scan the workforce with suitable skills currently on furlough, get them the pre-requisite training and clearance then get them to work at the schools

What prerequisite training would you want your kid's teachers to have? 

 

58 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

For those with genuine medical / health issues work out a compromise reflecting the fact that the world has changed and they don't have a right to continue to be paid indefinitely

So what you're in effect saying is that any teacher who is over about 50, or who lives with, or associates closely with, someone over 50 should lose their job if they're not prepared to become infected with Covid-19? Because as any teacher will tell you, when it comes to getting bugs from the kids it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when and how often.

Anyway, never mind. Force the teachers back to work at P-45 point, and see what happens. Curious though what plan B going to be when teachers start getting sick or start killing their parents..

[Bumble]

It’s hilarious that people think that they can just get random people in from elsewhere to teach. Do they have no concept of the level of education & training required to teach? (Probably not, as most seem to be ‘university of life’ sorts). 
 

[toontastic]

10 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

What prerequisite training would you want your kid's teachers to have? 

 

So what you're in effect saying is that any teacher who is over about 50, or who lives with, or associates closely with, someone over 50 should lose their job if they're not prepared to become infected with Covid-19? Because as any teacher will tell you, when it comes to getting bugs from the kids it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when and how often.

Anyway, never mind. Force the teachers back to work at P-45 point, and see what happens. Curious though what plan B going to be when teachers start getting sick or start killing their parents..

Perhaps we should just close everything down for ever, a teacher could easily catch flu at school and take it home to an elderly relative. Best all round if we don't take chances.

[millrace]

I see the labour relations agency has stated that "fear alone" is not a reasonable reason for not going back to work if the employer has met their h&s obligations.......

Does this do away in some part with the "but I could/may/possibly" catch something .....?

[treetree]

4 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Pull in external teaching resources where major gaps exist, if it's gonna last a while scan the workforce with suitable skills currently on furlough, get them the pre-requisite training and clearance then get them to work at the school

Is that how it would work in your own profession? Little bit of "pre-requisite training" and you're away and able to function at the required level? 

I'm guessing they'd be more of a liability than anything else.

[Retsdon]

3 minutes ago, toontastic said:

Perhaps we should just close everything down for ever, a teacher could easily catch flu at school and take it home to an elderly relative. Best all round if we don't take chances.

Is anyone suggesting that? 

[Jaymo]

2 hours ago, Old farrier said:

nice to see you along with others have managed to keep your sense of humour 😊😂👍👍
 

Dam I forgot about the chem trails although they work as I forget things 😂

can you get a accurate drop at 41000 feet? 
Wouldn’t want to randomly spray the wrong ground with it 🤔

hopefully you can be one of the lucky people or unlucky depending upon how you look at it 

that keep there jobs 

I see you’re in the top 25% high risk category so top tip 👍try not to sneeze on landing 

all the best 

of 

Oh, we don’t care too much about ‘spread’ - obviously the higher we go, the greater the dispersal area

Besides, as long as we’re over land we don’t care how much we ‘dump’ as there is alway one coming the other way to cover parts we might have missed 😉

Sneezing isn’t the worry, it’s usually farting on the approach, depending on the dodgy Crew meal ( highest known reason for Pilot incapacitation).....

Hope to avoid the ‘R’ word if possible- current T&C’s would be fine, but I’m guessing they would look for only paying the Statutory amount.

My humour and my smile will never leave- didn’t cost a thing to acquire and doesn’t cost to use ( plus it’s great on the Cabin Crew) 

[AVB]

1 hour ago, Retsdon said:

 

Anyway, never mind. Force the teachers back to work at P-45 point, and see what happens. Curious though what plan B going to be when teachers start getting sick or start killing their parents..

Never mind teachers killing their parents. If my children don't go back soon me or the wife will start killing them (the children not the teachers). 

Edited May 16, 2020 by AVB

[Old farrier]

4 minutes ago, AVB said:

Never mind teachers killing their parents. If my children don't go back soon me or the wife will start killing them (the children not the teachers). 

Few stats for you 

[Retsdon]

1 minute ago, AVB said:

Never mind teachers killing their parents. If my children don't go back soon me or the wife will start killing them. 

😁

You're lucky to have them around though. I'm Jonesing to see mine. I haven't seen them since January, and on Thursday I was supposed to be on a plane out of here for the summer and back to the family. Of course that never happened, and as it stands at the moment God knows when I'm going to see either them or their mother again.

Quite frankly I've had about enough of this business now......

[toontastic]

51 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Is anyone suggesting that? 

But if someones argument for not returning to work is that they have elderly relatives living with them, and they don't want to risk taking something home that could kill them.Then surely that must also apply to flu or any other illness, as they are also more than capable of killing the elderly.

[AVB]

3 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

😁

You're lucky to have them around though. I'm Jonesing to see mine. I haven't seen them since January, and on Thursday I was supposed to be on a plane out of here for the summer and back to the family. Of course that never happened, and as it stands at the moment God knows when I'm going to see either them or their mother again.

Quite frankly I've had about enough of this business now......

I like mine in small doses. Normally I am either working long hours so don’t see them or working overseas so don’t see them. Being forced together for the last two months is proving difficult. 

[Retsdon]

3 minutes ago, AVB said:

I like mine in small doses. Normally I am either working long hours so don’t see them or working overseas so don’t see them. Being forced together for the last two months is proving difficult. 

Out of difficulty comes opportunity.

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, Retsdon said:

What prerequisite training would you want your kid's teachers to have? 

It's not my field of expertise, I was citing it as a concept, there are plenty of people who move from industry into teaching. I was not suggesting pulling any oik in off the street. If there are a ton of people furloughed then their may be an appropriately skilled workforce out there. Is that really too much of a stretch, for a concept?

So what you're in effect saying is that any teacher who is over about 50, or who lives with, or associates closely with, someone over 50 should lose their job if they're not prepared to become infected with Covid-19? Because as any teacher will tell you, when it comes to getting bugs from the kids it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when and how often.

What makes Teachers so special in all this, how is it really any different to the vast majority of people that worked throughout the lockdown even? Seriously...

Anyway, never mind. Force the teachers back to work at P-45 point, and see what happens. Curious though what plan B going to be when teachers start getting sick or start killing their parents..

I do mind. I'd really like to know what makes Teachers different to everyone else (except perhaps they all think they are a special case)?

 

56 minutes ago, treetree said:

Is that how it would work in your own profession? Little bit of "pre-requisite training" and you're away and able to function at the required level? 

I'm guessing they'd be more of a liability than anything else.

There is a major up-skilling going on in the sector I work in. No offence but for most of the people I work with, and many other out there, becoming a teacher would be down-skilling.

[Mice!]

14 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

There is a major up-skilling going on in the sector I work in. No offence but for most of the people I work with, and many other out there, becoming a teacher would be down-skilling.

I doubt most could cope with the kids though, it's not just about teaching them the subject matter. 

Personally I get frustrated if someone can't do something after being shown a few times, if you get an apprentice who just isn't interested you may as go and try platting the brown stuff, so a class of what 30+ with vastly different attitudes to what your trying to teach them.

Not for me thanks.

25 minutes ago, AVB said:

I like mine in small doses. Normally I am either working long hours so don’t see them or working overseas so don’t see them. Being forced together for the last two months is proving difficult. 

I like to mention lions, the male doesn't spend all his time with the pride, he goes walk about, probably when the cubs or wife start annoying him 😁

[AVB]

Teachers being encouraged back to work. 

8 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I doubt most could cope with the kids though, it's not just about teaching them the subject matter. 

I concur. I teach cricket (well sort of) to youngsters at my cricket club. They run rings around me. I just can’t control them. One of the other coaches is a teacher and he has them under control in seconds. It’s like good gundog trainers. 

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, Mice! said:

I doubt most could cope with the kids though, it's not just about teaching them the subject matter. 

Personally I get frustrated if someone can't do something after being shown a few times, if you get an apprentice who just isn't interested you may as go and try platting the brown stuff, so a class of what 30+ with vastly different attitudes to what your trying to teach them.

Not for me thanks.

I admit it is / was a contentious concept, nearly didn't include it. Happy to withdraw it on the basis that the rest of what I suggested appears to hold.