London Best Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, Scully said: 😀👍 On a similar vein, the BIL of a mate has owned the same Winchester 101 shotgun since it was new ( it was this gun which first got me interested in those guns ) and shoots nothing else; it is the only gun he owns. He has, and still does shoot everything with this gun, from geese and duck on marsh, splashes and rivers, to grouse pheasant and partridge on highland and lowland, pigeons and crows on crops and stubbles, and bolting bunnies. It has almost no finish remaining and the chequering is worn smooth. It has 27 “ barrels and is fixed choke at skeet and skeet. He has never shot clays. He just alters the cartridges to suit the day, and doesn’t miss a lot. 🙂 I have a similar gun from 1975, 26 inch bored out to true cylinder and quarter, but my barrels are the other way up. Shot everything from snipe to geese, inland and coastal, grouse, pheasants and partridge, rabbits, hares, foxes, waders when they were legal, thousands of pigeons. Checkering smooth, been re blacked twice, ready again. Never felt under-gunned, even on 20 pound plus Spur-Wings in Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, London Best said: I have a similar gun from 1975, 26 inch bored out to true cylinder and quarter, but my barrels are the other way up. Shot everything from snipe to geese, inland and coastal, grouse, pheasants and partridge, rabbits, hares, foxes, waders when they were legal, thousands of pigeons. Checkering smooth, been re blacked twice, ready again. Never felt under-gunned, even on 20 pound plus Spur-Wings in Africa. Just the job. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 4 hours ago, figgy said: If I'm buying 32g lead shot carts it's always 5 shot to keep the pellet count up in the pattern. It's step change, 28g 7 30g 6. 32g 5 all about shot count. Choice is yours Lloyd but I don't think you would ever tell a difference between 30 & 32 in 6 shot in kills in the field. If you wanted to keep the pellet count up, surely you'd buy 32g 6's not 5's, as there'll be more pellets in 5's? Unless I have missed something 17 hours ago, Stonepark said: At 40 yards, you are giving up 10% of your pattern density by going from 28g 7 to 32g 6. As you noted previously, the 7's killed well due to pattern, why move away from that to a more expensive, thumpier loading where you need to increase the choking and narrow the pattern to have the same effect on the target? Sounds like a good reason to stick with 7's. If say shooting to 40 yards then, what choke would be the best combo on ducks, when shooting something like a 36g 3 (steel) cartridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: If say shooting to 40 yards then, what choke would be the best combo on ducks, when shooting something like a 36g 3 (steel) cartridge? I’ve shot a lot of duck (and geese) at that range with 32 gram steel 4’s through a true cylinder barrel. Just my findings over many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, London Best said: I’ve shot a lot of duck (and geese) at that range with 32 gram steel 4’s through a true cylinder barrel. Just my findings over many years. If your on em, your on em it seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: If you wanted to keep the pellet count up, surely you'd buy 32g 6's not 5's, as there'll be more pellets in 5's? Unless I have missed something Sounds like a good reason to stick with 7's. If say shooting to 40 yards then, what choke would be the best combo on ducks, when shooting something like a 36g 3 (steel) cartridge? I use Briley IC and LM in OU and Wad Wizard SWAT tube or Briley IC in Semi Auto for duck with steel. Edited October 22, 2020 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Lloyd90 said: If your on em, your on em it seems Well, if you’re not nothing will work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 13 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Quite why some people keep trying to "re-invent the wheel" is beyond me. If a cartridge and choke combination work well for you, keep using it! Exactly, put it in the pattern and don't blame your tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 Lloyd you misunderstood my point, in order to keep the shot count up to around the same as a 28g 7 the jump to 30g in 6 shot and then again to 32g for 5 shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 Just now, figgy said: Lloyd you misunderstood my point, in order to keep the shot count up to around the same as a 28g 7 the jump to 30g in 6 shot and then again to 32g for 5 shot. Ah I get you. My apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 39 minutes ago, figgy said: Lloyd you misunderstood my point, in order to keep the shot count up to around the same as a 28g 7 the jump to 30g in 6 shot and then again to 32g for 5 shot. 32g 5........248 30g 6.........287 28g 7..........340 Big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 46 minutes ago, London Best said: 32g 5........248 30g 6.........287 28g 7..........340 Big difference. Which translates to pellets in 30 inch circle target (1/4 choke) at 40 yards as 32g 5..... 136 30g 6 ..... 156 28g 7...... 184 Hence the reason 28g no7 was working so well, hitting each pheasant with 9 pellets or so on average, and half probably hitting something vital/structural, resulting in good kills with no runners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 It's still.much better than 28g of 5 shot. But no one needs too much small shot if you want to eat what you shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Stonepark said: Which translates to pellets in 30 inch circle target (1/4 choke) at 40 yards as 32g 5..... 136 30g 6 ..... 156 28g 7...... 184 Hence the reason 28g no7 was working so well, hitting each pheasant with 9 pellets or so on average, and half probably hitting something vital/structural, resulting in good kills with no runners. Of which 62, 72 and 86 respectively are ineffectual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 But they are extremely necessary to make things work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: But they are extremely necessary to make things work! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: But they are extremely necessary to make things work! I expect Tesco would call it a loss leader. Our trouble is is that we're such a conservative lot. We could make things much easier for ourselves - for those who have an interest in how their gun performs - if we binned the 30" and just went for the central effective 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 wasnt 36g #6 a traditional pigeon cartridge at some point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, wymberley said: I expect Tesco would call it a loss leader. Our trouble is is that we're such a conservative lot. We could make things much easier for ourselves - for those who have an interest in how their gun performs - if we binned the 30" and just went for the central effective 20. I quite agree! Just now, cookoff013 said: wasnt 36g #6 a traditional pigeon cartridge at some point? Getting back to the good old "square" loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, cookoff013 said: wasnt 36g #6 a traditional pigeon cartridge at some point? Big money back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, cookoff013 said: wasnt 36g #6 a traditional pigeon cartridge at some point? Never heard that one, 32g 6s yes, very common load used by pigeon shooters 35-40 years ago, it was my go-to load at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 36g#6 was a traditional pigeon sporting load, not faster than 1200fps. as said by wymbers. it was all about pigeon shoots. well, more associated with the £ gambling. where cartridge performance was needed to exceed reasonable results. it was also adopted by the helice / zz guys. but then the cpsa and that tightened up the regs as what is reasonable. i still remember using 32g on clays, i shot steel 4s too. all quite legal. RC cartridges have a "special pigeon" load 36g HP loading shotsize 3-7 ! thats a tad overkill. the key was to hit the witness of the zz helice bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, cookoff013 said: 36g#6 was a traditional pigeon sporting load, not faster than 1200fps. as said by wymbers. it was all about pigeon shoots. well, more associated with the £ gambling. where cartridge performance was needed to exceed reasonable results. it was also adopted by the helice / zz guys. but then the cpsa and that tightened up the regs as what is reasonable. i still remember using 32g on clays, i shot steel 4s too. all quite legal. RC cartridges have a "special pigeon" load 36g HP loading shotsize 3-7 ! thats a tad overkill. the key was to hit the witness of the zz helice bird. Sorry, I thought you were talking about wood pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 yes i was ! those same shells were used for shooting helice and extreme birds. the shooting bodies are responsible for a slight switch in to lighter payloads, the 24g olympic trap loads being a prime example. this had a knock on effect from manufacturers using already existing loads, or re-branding them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, cookoff013 said: yes i was ! those same shells were used for shooting helice and extreme birds. the shooting bodies are responsible for a slight switch in to lighter payloads, the 24g olympic trap loads being a prime example. this had a knock on effect from manufacturers using already existing loads, or re-branding them. You were talking about wood pigeon shooting!….Well in all my years I have never come across pigeon shooters who’s go-to cartridge was 36g 6s, unless you are talking before my time, I did know one guy who used nothing else but 34g 6s on pigeons, but he was the only one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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