Covid - The new normal?

[oowee]

Another factor on success or otherwise is compliance. The freedom we have in the west and have had for so long makes it more difficult to listen too and follow guidance. 

In Slovakia they have just told all residents they must isolate for two weeks regardless unless they have a negative covid test. The police are out catching offenders. 

Something like that would work well here?

[johnphilip]

12 minutes ago, oowee said:

Another factor on success or otherwise is compliance. The freedom we have in the west and have had for so long makes it more difficult to listen too and follow guidance. 

In Slovakia they have just told all residents they must isolate for two weeks regardless unless they have a negative covid test. The police are out catching offenders. 

Something like that would work well here?

And pray tell were are you going to get all the police from 

[oowee]

8 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

And pray tell were are you going to get all the police from 

That's a good point. Do you think with some of this stuff that if there  was more evidence of action less action would be needed. A couple of road blocks and a city centre check would make everyone rethink ?

[JohnfromUK]

59 minutes ago, oowee said:

Another factor on success or otherwise is compliance.

Some of the countries like Singapore and South Korea have very 'inbuilt' tracking where they have databases on everyone and track every credit card transaction, widespread number plate tracking, transport card tracking - some may even use facial recognition? 

That would not be legal here currently - and getting that through Parliament .........

[AVB]

7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Some of the countries like Singapore and South Korea have very 'inbuilt' tracking where they have databases on everyone and track every credit card transaction, widespread number plate tracking, transport card tracking - some may even use facial recognition? 

That would not be legal here currently - and getting that through Parliament .........

Would you want to see that here? I wouldn’t although I suspectthere are quite a few on PW who would love it. 

[Walker570]

2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

The horse has bolted and the stable door is swinging in the breeze!

Spot on. 

[islandgun]

Reading some of the survival of the fittest post's makes me wonder if they apply the same logic regarding all illness [dodgy heart mate ? tough] .... covid is just another illness and it behoves us all to take whatever steps we can to limit its spread

[team tractor]

Had a test last night at Birmingham airport. It’s like Area 51 😂😂😂. 
it’s a strange experience. 
here’s hoping I’m just being over cautious 

[AVB]

16 minutes ago, islandgun said:

Reading some of the survival of the fittest post's makes me wonder if they apply the same logic regarding all illness [dodgy heart mate ? tough] .... covid is just another illness and it behoves us all to take whatever steps we can to limit its spread

So where do you suggest we draw the line in balancing deaths vs the economy? Save every life and jeopardise every job (by having extremely strict lockdown) or vice-versa or what?

[JohnfromUK]

30 minutes ago, AVB said:

Would you want to see that here?

No, and I can't see it ever being allowed here anyway, but I neither want to see the economy decimated, nor do I want to see tens of thousands seriously ill, some terminally due to peoples inability to follow rules set to protect the public.  I think IF you have tested positive (or are a close contact of one who has, and so are a risk) and are told to isolate - there needs to be some mechanism to ensure that is happening.  How that can be done I don't know.

I hear that part of the 'problem' with the test and trace is that those testing positive either can't or won't give close contacts - and neither they nor their contacts isolate.  That is (in part) why the R is high

[AVB]

6 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

No, and I can't see it ever being allowed here anyway, but I neither want to see the economy decimated, nor do I want to see tens of thousands seriously ill, some terminally due to peoples inability to follow rules set to protect the public.  I think IF you have tested positive (or are a close contact of one who has, and so are a risk) and are told to isolate - there needs to be some mechanism to ensure that is happening.  How that can be done I don't know.

I hear that part of the 'problem' with the test and trace is that those testing positive either can't or won't give close contacts - and neither they nor their contacts isolate.  That is (in part) why the R is high

I’ve read a number of articles saying that people should be paid to isolate. I find it shocking that that should need to be the case. And even if they did I guarantee there would still be people who took the money but didn’t isolate. And there would be people who had a positive test and then named loads of their family/mates as contacts so they would get the money!  I might strongly disagree with lockdown but if I was told to isolate I would. 

[team tractor]

11 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

No, and I can't see it ever being allowed here anyway, but I neither want to see the economy decimated, nor do I want to see tens of thousands seriously ill, some terminally due to peoples inability to follow rules set to protect the public.  I think IF you have tested positive (or are a close contact of one who has, and so are a risk) and are told to isolate - there needs to be some mechanism to ensure that is happening.  How that can be done I don't know.

I hear that part of the 'problem' with the test and trace is that those testing positive either can't or won't give close contacts - and neither they nor their contacts isolate.  That is (in part) why the R is high

My mates just gone on holiday while waiting his results 🙈. He said but I’m not positive yet.

hes been with someone that is positive. 
I’m off work and living on my own while I await my results 

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, team tractor said:

I’m off work and living on my own while I await my results 

Which is very annoying - but the right thing to do.

 

6 minutes ago, team tractor said:

My mates just gone on holiday while waiting his results

Which is breaking the law as I understand it.

 

9 minutes ago, AVB said:

I’ve read a number of articles saying that people should be paid to isolate. I find it shocking that that should need to be the case. And even if they did I guarantee there would still be people who took the money but didn’t isolate. And there would be people who had a positive test and then named loads of their family/mates as contacts so they would get the money!

Agreed, but none of these things are 'easy'.  There are no magic solutions (unless a vaccine with very high success and long lasting comes along.  Now that might be magic!

[AVB]

10 minutes ago, team tractor said:

My mates just gone on holiday while waiting his results 🙈. He said but I’m not positive yet.

hes been with someone that is positive. 
I’m off work and living on my own while I await my results 

It would be interesting to know why he is doing that. Does he genuinely think that until he tests positive he doesn’t need to isolate? In which case education needs to improve. Or does he genuinely not care and regardless of the facts would still operate the same way? 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, AVB said:

Does he genuinely think that until he tests positive he doesn’t need to isolate? In which case education needs to improve

After the case of the MP that was all over the papers and media - and what they (apparently) tell you/leaflet you may get when you have the test, that is not credible.

[johnphilip]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

That's a good point. Do you think with some of this stuff that if there  was more evidence of action less action would be needed. A couple of road blocks and a city centre check would make everyone rethink ?

I dont think so , I think some think it won't happen to them , or if they get it they will get over it. They are selfish and dont think of others . 

Then there are those who don't belive it exist.  And those who have said I have had enough , I want to get back to normal . 

So all we can do is look after ourselves  and those close to us . 

[clangerman]

wonder how people are going to explain they are above the rules but still fit to hold firearms to the police think i will let someone else try that one first 

[team tractor]

30 minutes ago, AVB said:

It would be interesting to know why he is doing that. Does he genuinely think that until he tests positive he doesn’t need to isolate? In which case education needs to improve. Or does he genuinely not care and regardless of the facts would still operate the same way? 

I think he doesn’t  care but also he thinks it’s ok until he’s positive 

42 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Which is very annoying - but the right thing to do.

 

Which is breaking the law as I understand it.

 

 

When my wife had me kicked out in February over false allegations, she moved her new police fella in the next day. 
I said it’s illegal and the police said it’s not . I think they enforce what they feel like . 
 

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, team tractor said:

I think they enforce what they feel like .

They (or at least some of them) have always been that way.

[team tractor]

6 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

They (or at least some of them) have always been that way.

He was hiding in my house when social services visited and  she lied to ss about him being there. I was at the bottom of the street with my dad. 
they both should of been sacked off the force . 

[JohnfromUK]

The real problem we have in this country is that people simply ignore the rules.  Whether it be isolating, wearing masks, using mobile phone when driving, claiming furlough whilst still working, having parties and not social distancing ......... the list is nearly endless.  People have little fear of getting caught and likely nothing will be done anyway.

IF people don't follow rules and guidelines - lockdown will be longer and tougher for ALL (oh - of course except those who take no notice and claim furlough etc. - who will in effect be getting a bonus.

[AVB]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

The real problem we have in this country is that people simply ignore the rules.  Whether it be isolating, wearing masks, using mobile phone when driving, claiming furlough whilst still working, having parties and not social distancing ......... the list is nearly endless.  People have little fear of getting caught and likely nothing will be done anyway.

IF people don't follow rules and guidelines - lockdown will be longer and tougher for ALL (oh - of course except those who take no notice and claim furlough etc. - who will in effect be getting a bonus.

I am not convinced that is the case regarding compliance. From what I see, and it may be very different in different areas of the country, but I am seeing near 100% compliance with masks. I went into. London on train and tube twice over last week and compliance was extremely high. Same in local towns and villages. Masks are very visible so easy to spot non-compliance (which was the governments objective). The others you mention less so. 
 

 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, AVB said:

I am not convinced that is the case regarding compliance. From what I see, and it may be very different in different areas of the country, but I am seeing near 100% compliance with masks. I went into. London on train and tube twice over last week and compliance was extremely high. Same in local towns and villages. Masks are very visible so easy to spot non-compliance (which was the governments objective). The others you mention less so. 
 

 

I can only really go on what I read in the press ....... and they of course need to spin a story to sell papers.

Masks around here are pretty good in the supermarket I go to, but I read in the local paper that not good on the buses (we have no real rail transport locally).  The parties do make the press - as do the big demonstrations and rallies.

When the March lockdown was introduced (and that was quite well followed certainly around here) - cases fell much as predicted by the scientists.

[AVB]

7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I can only really go on what I read in the press ....... and they of course need to spin a story to sell papers.

Masks around here are pretty good in the supermarket I go to, but I read in the local paper that not good on the buses (we have no real rail transport locally).  The parties do make the press - as do the big demonstrations and rallies.

When the March lockdown was introduced (and that was quite well followed certainly around here) - cases fell much as predicted by the scientists.

But there was no massive uptick after the BLM demonstrations/counter-demonstrations though. 
 

Only three weeks ago Sir Patrick Valance was saying that cases could double every three days. Of course they didn’t it was the start of the big scare story. Even the latest scary projections are proving to be significantly overstated. There is no downside to a scientist predicting doom and gloom! If they are proven to be right they say “we told you so” if wrong it’s because action was taken/things changed/it was only a projection etc  

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by AVB

[Yellow Bear]

3 minutes ago, AVB said:

am not convinced that is the case regarding compliance. From what I see, and it may be very different in different areas of the country, but I am seeing near 100% compliance with masks. I went into. London on train and tube twice over last week and compliance was extremely high. Same in local towns and villages.

That is fine and shows in the relatively lower infection rates near you (remember the mask is primarily to stop you spreading it, not so much catching it)

I, unfortunately, had to drive through the university district of Sheffield in the last week of September and I don't think I saw a single mask let alone social distancing.  The infections are like the ripples of a stone in a pool so the picture shows in the areas bordering Sheffield.  For those disbelievers check here (https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map ) and see for yourself.