JohnfromUK Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Walker570 said: I personally cannot see it getting the go ahead. I think it is almost certain to get the approval - as the opposition (or at least a good many of them) will support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, treetree said: It is really very simple. Those who are at risk due to age / co-morbidity should shield. Everyone else, for whom the official ONS statistics show covid19 is extremely unlikely to kill should get on with life Too simple...far too simple for these over educated idiot scientists to understand. I really do feel for small businesses in particular shutting down again will be a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, treetree said: It is really very simple. Those who are at risk due to age / co-morbidity should shield. Everyone else, for whom the official ONS statistics show covid19 is extremely unlikely to kill should get on with life So what about the people of all ages in hospital being treated for Covid? They might not be an ONS stat but its tying up the NHS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just now, Walker570 said: Midnight Thursday I hear. Good, I'm shooting at Catton on Thursday. I personally cannot see it getting the go ahead. It'll be interesting to see what driven shoots do. I've got a few invites but not confident they will go ahead. I will still be going for a walk with a gun and dog. I know three others that will be doing the same at the same time in the same place. If any birds get flushed they might get shot. 1 minute ago, Mice! said: So what about the people of all ages in hospital being treated for Covid? They might not be an ONS stat but its tying up the NHS That’s what we have the Nightingale hospitals for. They weren’t needed last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Walker570 said: Too simple...far too simple for these over educated idiot scientists to understand. I really do feel for small businesses in particular shutting down again will be a disaster. Problem is, if they said over 60s have to stay home would they/you? I can't imagine many would want to stay in while everyone else carries on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) on monday we are off to mullion cove cornwall.for the week so may have to come back thursday, and then no shooting for me, unless pest control if we can. Edited October 31, 2020 by mossy835 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, AVB said: That’s what we have the Nightingale hospitals for. They weren’t needed last time. Yes, but it's not just about the people who have died, all the sick people need looking after, once the Nightingale hospitals start being used then we're really in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) Edit, Edited October 31, 2020 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Mice! said: Problem is, if they said over 60s have to stay home would they/you? I can't imagine many would want to stay in while everyone else carries on. I just use my common sense, keep my distance, don't go huggin and kissing like a bunch of Europeans. I carry veterinary handwash in my vehicle and use it if I have to go into the gas station or shop. Just basic common sense. In the old days if you had a cold you would not go to friends or even family so as not to pass it on. I would take my chances like I have in the last 80yrs and do not intend not enjoying the last few I may have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, ordnance said: Would it not occur to you that the reason they were not needed, was because the number of people contracting the virus and hospital admissions for CV19 went down dramatically because of the lockdown. Exactly what the lockdown was put in place to do. With the vulnerable shielding. And now the vulnerable don’t need to shield. No sense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just now, AVB said: With the vulnerable shielding. And now the vulnerable don’t need to shield. No sense at all. True, but that could change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mice! said: So what about the people of all ages in hospital being treated for Covid? They might not be an ONS stat but its tying up the NHS Being treated for something is entirely different to dying from it. The NHS is not being tied up by patient numbers due to Covid. It never has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) The sad case is the whole country should have gone into lockdown the same time, it just shows the division/hatered England, Wales & Scotland have towards each other. Edited October 31, 2020 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 One thing I am pretty confident about is that the level of compliance is going to be a lot lower this time than last. I was at cricket club today ( indoor nets) very law abiding, conservative people saying “**** it”. Just look at social media. Many, many people proposing disobedience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 This is really going to put the police versus the people. We will be feeling the effects of this for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 It would be interesting to see whether all of these experts on TV would be pushing for a lockdown if they were told that their pay was going to be cut to £2,500 month the same as people on furlough. I bet they wouldn’t be so keen then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just now, WalkedUp said: This is really going to put the police versus the people. We will be feeling the effects of this for a long time. If the police do their job - which is policing the law, I for one have no problem. If that is done even handedly, politely where possible and fairly - I can't see any cause for complaint. What is not so palatable (for me) is when the police selectively enforce the law, or do it crudely and rudely - and put their own interpretations on it. For example - I had no complaint about the principle of them acting on the church service in Wales the other day - but they did it in a poor manner .......... and what would they have done had it been a mosque? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Heh!!! Watch it I live too close for comments like that Wellll maybe close to the truth...... feels like it anyway. just ignore him nev , you dont look a day over 90 mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Quote The NHS is not being tied up by patient numbers due to Covid. It never has been. That was what the lockdown was for so the NHS tied up by patient numbers due to Covid, and it worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 I generally agree with John above (but too slow typing so out of order). I know a lot of police officers personally and they will not be enthralled by this development. Some of them just lack any common sense however. My frail mother was walking her little dog near her house when she was harassed by two police officers during the first lockdown. No one told me about it until the next day as I would have had to go and have words with them. A mother I know dropping her children of with the grandparents not far from me (for permitted childcare) and one of the neighbours called the police! Two squad cars and a very upsetting appearance for the young children. By contrast, in the city centre there is zero effort to police the gangs of drunks and crack addicts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: I know a lot of police officers personally and they will not be enthralled by this development. And I can understand that. I have been (on these threads and in other areas) been quite critical of the police - especially the 'seniors' who are simply chasing targets and ticking boxes. Gaining public support for unpalatable things is about being even handed and fair - but firm - a church, synagogue or mosque should be treated alike, as should anyone regardless of their colour, ethnicity etc. - I do make exceptions for age as different age groups will respond slightly differently to 'authority'. And do it with dignity - that means no one to go down on one knee for anyone below the rank of our sovereign (or their wife/husband). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Why don't all the people here advocating for another lockdown just put themselves into a voluntary one? That way you can feel virtuous about 'doing your bit', be sure you won't get ill and 'overwhelm the NHS' and rest easy you won't be some irresponsible inconsiderate 'covidiot' putting grandmas, small babies and humanity at risk. How many of the lockdown cheerleaders here will do that going forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, treetree said: Why don't all the people here advocating for another lockdown just put themselves into a voluntary one? That way you can feel virtuous about 'doing your bit', be sure you won't get ill and 'overwhelm the NHS' and rest easy you won't be some irresponsible inconsiderate 'covidiot' putting grandmas, small babies and humanity at risk. How many of the lockdown cheerleaders here will do that going forward? I don’t think it delivers the required effect. The previous lockdown worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, treetree said: How many of the lockdown cheerleaders here will do that going forward? I'm no doubt seen as a lockdown cheerleader, but that is something of a misunderstanding - in that I don't want any enforced lockdown but I don't see a realistic alternative simple because many people aren't behaving sensibly. As I have said elsewhere - I have been in a 80%(ish) lockdown since March - largely compliant with the proposed lockdown rules. The only significant exception being a weeks (mainly walking and fishing) holiday in the UK with friends where I didn't leave the estate all week. Other than that I have remained at home, not eaten out except occasionally outdoors with relatives in the garden, and not been indoors in anyone else's house, nor has anyone visited mine. Most older people where I live have behaved similarly. I shop (complete with mask) and try to get things for elderly neighbours to help them and save them having to shop too often. It isn't for a 'virtuous feeling' that I do it - I have just tried to use simple common sense and minimise the risk to myself and others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, treetree said: Why don't all the people here advocating for another lockdown just put themselves into a voluntary one? That way you can feel virtuous about 'doing your bit', be sure you won't get ill and 'overwhelm the NHS' and rest easy you won't be some irresponsible inconsiderate 'covidiot' putting grandmas, small babies and humanity at risk. How many of the lockdown cheerleaders here will do that going forward? I don't see how it's a problem for most people, go to work then go home? That's what I'll be doing. Have a walk with the kids then it'll be dark and wet by 5pm, it couldn't be simpler. It's far from ideal, elderly or people living alone are going to struggle. I'd rather be in lockdown in November than May. This is probably all being done to have a normal ish Xmas, I'm glad they didn't wait till the Midlands was in the same state as the North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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