Head Teacher's Reply to Know it All Parents.

[12gauge82]

Just now, WalkedUp said:

Problems with easy solutions. 

Go on then, how do supermarket workers not need to shield until vaccinated but school teachers do? Why is a teachers life worth more and what's your easy solution? 

[WalkedUp]

Social distancing for shop workers. Staggered times for shop staff and shoppers. Screens between cashiers. Contactless payment. Self service checkouts. 

[12gauge82]

1 minute ago, WalkedUp said:

Click and collect. 

Can you imagine all the customers of a supermarket trying to click and collect, it wouldn't work. 

1 minute ago, WalkedUp said:

Social distancing for shop workers. Staggered times for shop staff and shoppers. Screens between cashiers. Contactless payment. Self service checkouts. 

I don't think you comprehend the foot fall,not to mention the products touched by everyone. 

[WalkedUp]

Just now, 12gauge82 said:

Why is a teachers life worth more and what's your easy solution? 

🤣🤣🤣

As much as I appreciate your childish trolling in normal times yesterday i put my step father into the back of an ambulance with CV-19. In the night my mother was taken by ambulance too. Both have pneumonia and heavy damage to each lung from Covid. I don’t think I have the patience for silliness and twisting of words at this time of day. 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, WalkedUp said:

🤣🤣🤣

As much as I appreciate your childish trolling in normal times yesterday i put my step father into the back of an ambulance with CV-19. In the night my mother was taken by ambulance too. Both have pneumonia and heavy damage to each lung from Covid. I don’t think I have the patience for silliness and twisting of words at this time of day. 

I'm genuinely very sorry to hear that, no offence was intended. 

I'm not trolling, it was a genuine question and one you don't seem to be able to answer. 

[markm]

16 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'm genuinely very sorry to hear that, no offence was intended. 

I'm not trolling, it was a genuine question and one you don't seem to be able to answer. 

Most of the other occupation you mentioned can wear PPE, have screens, controlled numbers, reasonably sensible people, small numbers in rooms, large areas. To show how silly your answer is - staff in supermarkets, take products out of boxes and put them on display, they don’t re-touch every item.... Even if they did, I’m positive their employer would not mind them wearing gloves. 
 

In a school, all of which are not designed for social distancing, you will typically have 25 different students, 5 times a day in a room.  PPE / screens / distancing etc etc  etc cannot be done.  
 

Whilst teaching union's may be taking a far left stance, the vast majority of teachers would be happy to get the vaccine and back into the classroom. It’s an urban myth teachers are sat at home watching homes under the hammer every day, created by those who went to the university of life  

 

Previously, you have had an answer, which I’ve repeated above. Either you’re too stupid to understand or you are trolling.

 

Edited January 31, 2021 by markm

[JDog]

12gauge82 a troll? Who would have thought it?

[mel b3]

Going back to what was written by the head teacher , you can just imagine what was being said by some of the gobxxxxx parents.

[12gauge82]

2 hours ago, markm said:

Most of the other occupation you mentioned can wear PPE, have screens, controlled numbers, reasonably sensible people, small numbers in rooms, large areas. To show how silly your answer is - staff in supermarkets, take products out of boxes and put them on display, they don’t re-touch every item.... Even if they did, I’m positive their employer would not mind them wearing gloves. 
 

In a school, all of which are not designed for social distancing, you will typically have 25 different students, 5 times a day in a room.  PPE / screens / distancing etc etc  etc cannot be done.  
 

Whilst teaching union's may be taking a far left stance, the vast majority of teachers would be happy to get the vaccine and back into the classroom. It’s an urban myth teachers are sat at home watching homes under the hammer every day, created by those who went to the university of life  

 

Previously, you have had an answer, which I’ve repeated above. Either you’re too stupid to understand or you are trolling.

 

With due respect I stand by the fact that there are other occupations confirmed by government research that are deemed more dangerous than teaching, but they haven't been half as vocal demanding vaccines. 

I've never stated teachers are lazy or want to be sat at home so I don't know where that's come from. 

And as for the head posting that reply I find it very childish. Much like you calling me stupid or a troll simply for not agreeing with you. 

2 hours ago, JDog said:

12gauge82 a troll? Who would have thought it?

Nice contribution!

1 hour ago, mel b3 said:

Going back to what was written by the head teacher , you can just imagine what was being said by some of the gobxxxxx parents.

Yes I'm sure there was some serious provocation, it's a minor point but I would expect the head of a school to rise above it without lowering themselves to childish comebacks. 

[Mice!]

3 hours ago, markm said:

Whilst teaching union's may be taking a far left stance, the vast majority of teachers would be happy to get the vaccine and back into the classroom. It’s an urban myth teachers are sat at home watching homes under the hammer every day, created by those who went to the university of life  

I've just shown the letter to my Mrs and she found it very funny, probably shocked that the head as said what many will be thinking.

Vaccination for school staff seems a great idea if people want the schools open, on an interview last week it was suggested that the teachers/staff all be given the vaccine during the half term then get the schools reopening,  I've no idea how long it would take, half a million teachers plus TAs plus other staff, then how long for the vaccine to take effect. 

The schools could reopen and half the classes/years be sent home a week later, that's far from ideal.

I also know the teachers I and the wife have spoken to want the kids back in school,  not to be doing zoom classes.

[AVB]

Let’s not forget that if teachers jump the queue then others, perhaps more at risk through health or occupation, will move down the queue. Who makes that call?  

[mel b3]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

 

Yes I'm sure there was some serious provocation, it's a minor point but I would expect the head of a school to rise above it without lowering themselves to childish comebacks. 

I would imagine that most head teachers probably would , but I suppose that we all have a breaking point . And it was quite funny and relatively polite.👍.

Seeing the kicking that teachers are getting at the moment,  makes me glad that I'm a binman 😊.

[Newbie to this]

38 minutes ago, AVB said:

Let’s not forget that if teachers jump the queue then others, perhaps more at risk through health or occupation, will move down the queue. Who makes that call?  

Let's hope it's not the Teacher's Union.

Or any unions for that matter.

And thank our lucky stars it's not Labour, who some have already backtracked on thier official statement (surprise surprise),of following the scientist on the roll out of the vaccine, by backing the loony union demands for Teachers jumping the queue.

Edited January 31, 2021 by Newbie to this

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, mel b3 said:

I would imagine that most head teachers probably would , but I suppose that we all have a breaking point . And it was quite funny and relatively polite.👍.

Seeing the kicking that teachers are getting at the moment,  makes me glad that I'm a binman 😊.

Can't deny it is amusing. 

Not sure I'd want to be a binman either, I've seen them blamed for all sorts including not emptying a bin that was put out late, as if the world should revolve around my neighbours schedule. 🤯

[steve1066]

52 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Can't deny it is amusing. 

Not sure I'd want to be a binman either, I've seen them blamed for all sorts including not emptying a bin that was put out late, as if the world should revolve around my neighbours schedule. 🤯

12gauge82

They are not being classed as being more important than any other occupation but you cannot get a 6 year old to wear a mask or keep to 2 metres from another child, they spend the day touching each other, cuddling each other, sneezing on each other and using the same toys/learning apparatus. It is has been proven that COVID is being spread by children because they are catching it at home and then taking it to school. The teachers are more vulnerable to catching it from the children because PPE is not going to work in that environment. So there is a larger degree of protection for taxi drivers/ Tesco workers.

if you had a clue how children act and are taught in school then you would agree with the unions that teachers are very vulnerable to catching COVID because they cannot use the PPE and rules to the same extent as Tesco worker because it would terrify the children, so our teachers the same as any other front line worker will soldier on and accept the risks regardless of whether they have been vaccinated.

We’re you beaten up by a teacher when you were in school 😂😂😂😂

 

[12gauge82]

1 minute ago, steve1066 said:

12gauge82

They are not being classed as being more important than any other occupation but you cannot get a 6 year old to wear a mask or keep to 2 metres from another child, they spend the day touching each other, cuddling each other, sneezing on each other and using the same toys/learning apparatus. It is has been proven that COVID is being spread by children because they are catching it at home and then taking it to school. The teachers are more vulnerable to catching it from the children because PPE is not going to work in that environment. So there is a larger degree of protection for taxi drivers/ Tesco workers.

if you had a clue how children act and are taught in school then you would agree with the unions that teachers are very vulnerable to catching COVID because they cannot use the PPE and rules to the same extent as Tesco worker because it would terrify the children, so our teachers the same as any other front line worker will soldier on and accept the risks regardless of whether they have been vaccinated.

We’re you beaten up by a teacher when you were in school 😂😂😂😂

 

I certainly get the fact it is hard to get kids to socially distance and they are often A symptomatic. However as published in government figures teachers are less at risk than some other key workers and yet their union is demanding they get vacancies first. I'm in no way critical of teachers or the very difficult job they do, particularly in times like these. And no I wasn't beaten up by a teacher, although looking back I probably deserved it a few times 😂

[AVB]

 

9 minutes ago, steve1066 said:

12gauge82

They are not being classed as being more important than any other occupation but you cannot get a 6 year old to wear a mask or keep to 2 metres from another child, they spend the day touching each other, cuddling each other, sneezing on each other and using the same toys/learning apparatus. It is has been proven that COVID is being spread by children because they are catching it at home and then taking it to school. The teachers are more vulnerable to catching it from the children because PPE is not going to work in that environment. So there is a larger degree of protection for taxi drivers/ Tesco workers.

if you had a clue how children act and are taught in school then you would agree with the unions that teachers are very vulnerable to catching COVID because they cannot use the PPE and rules to the same extent as Tesco worker because it would terrify the children, so our teachers the same as any other front line worker will soldier on and accept the risks regardless of whether they have been vaccinated.

We’re you beaten up by a teacher when you were in school 😂😂😂😂

 

But the stats show they are not more vulnerable despite what you say about a shop worker having more protection.

So who should fall down the queue to make up for a healthy 25 year old teacher being pushed up the queue? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55795608

Edited January 31, 2021 by AVB

[steve1066]

1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said:

I certainly get the fact it is hard to get kids to socially distance and they are often A symptomatic. However as published in government figures teachers are less at risk than some other key workers and yet their union is demanding they get vacancies first. I'm in no way critical of teachers or the very difficult job they do, particularly in times like these. And no I wasn't beaten up by a teacher, although looking back I probably deserved it a few times 😂

I totally agree they shouldn’t be vaccinated first there are are more vulnerable groups that deserve the vaccine first but teachers should really be within the early occupations after the old and NHS etc

[mel b3]

32 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Can't deny it is amusing. 

Not sure I'd want to be a binman either, I've seen them blamed for all sorts including not emptying a bin that was put out late, as if the world should revolve around my neighbours schedule. 🤯

ive worked for the council for 21 years now , and ive had the blame for just about everything except getting the lady mayoress pregnant . its quite upsetting for the first few years( you take it personally) , but its just water off a ducks back now . dealing with some members of the public can be quite the challenge at times.

ive just remembered a guy that used to complain regularly that id missed his bin , it got so regular that id just phone him and get him out of bed when i was outside his house , and wait for him to bring his bin out . i could probably remember a hundred similar stories. the worst part , is that each one of these complaints costs the local authority(me and you) £80.00 just to take the call and examine the complaint , and even more if a crew needs to be sent back on a wild goose chase.

[steve1066]

11 minutes ago, AVB said:

 

But the stats show they are not more vulnerable despite what you say about a shop worker having more protection.

So who should fall down the queue to make up for a healthy 25 year old teacher being pushed up the queue? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55795608

I think I would have the 25 year teacher vaccinated who maybe coming in contact daily with a child with COVID before a 60 year old who is working from home.

How do you decide with so many scientific stats contradicting each other.

[Newbie to this]

What if the 60 year old can't work from home.

[AVB]

1 hour ago, steve1066 said:

I think I would have the 25 year teacher vaccinated who maybe coming in contact daily with a child with COVID before a 60 year old who is working from home.

How do you decide with so many scientific stats contradicting each other.

What about a 60 year old shop worker? or even a 50 year old one that would be at significantly more risk than a 25 year old teacher? The only criteria the government is using, apart from front line health care staff and even that is open to 'abuse' , at the moment is age and medical conditions. Imo adding extra professions to the criteria opens a can of worms. 

[oscarsdad]

The criteria that has been identified is the most sound, age and medical vulnerability.

Of course there are some occupations on the front line who are more at risk, in some cases I’d support their prioritisation but it’s always going to be difficult. 
 

the stats cannot be interpreted as simply as profession = causation. Many professions contain high percentages of people from specific cultures, with specific lifestyles and behaviours which could very well contribute to the chance of catching Covid more than the job.

 

Whatever policy is in place, people will grumble about it, put forward justifications as to why some groups should be prioritised or simply try to cheat the system. All we can do is continue to follow social distancing and hope rates continue to fall and more and more people are protected by vaccines, being proud that the UK is doing better than almost every other nation in vaccine roll out. 

[steve1066]

2 minutes ago, AVB said:

What about a 60 year old shop worker? or even a 50 year old one that would be at significantly more risk than a 25 year old teacher? The only criteria the government is using, apart from front line health care staff and even that is open to 'abuse' , at the moment is age and medical conditions. Imo adding extra professions to the criteria opens a can of worms. 

Wouldn’t it be easy if all our primary school teachers were 25 years old and 100% healthy, I agree you would not bother would you! Unfortunately it consist of all ages and differently levels of health, just like the other occupations, but the primary school teachers do not get to choose like the some of us, they have to go in because who is going to babysit/ educate while the hundreds of thousands of parents go to work ie taxis drivers, shop workers, police, NHS and so on. If you loose 6 workers from a factory or store you can normally continue with out to much a hardship, if you loose 5 teachers or assistants or the kitchen staff etc then the school closes full stop.

Possibly in a year or two the analysis will confirm who was right and who was wrong, hopefully that will put us in good stead for the next one.

I was going to say let’s firstly vaccinate all the tards that are ignoring the rules,  but then I realised  it won’t stop them passing it onto the vulnerable.

 

 

 

 

[12gauge82]

Here's a link from this evenings news, highlighting independent experts opinion teachers shouldn't be given priority to other more vulnerable groups. 

https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-moving-teachers-up-the-queue-for-vaccines-could-risk-more-deaths-liz-truss-suggests-12204427?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16121243193050&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcovid-19-moving-teachers-up-the-queue-for-vaccines-could-risk-more-deaths-liz-truss-suggests-12204427

 

Ms Truss suggested - due to a lack of spare vaccine supply - the government would not be adding teachers to the first nine priority groups to receive jabs at this stage of the UK's vaccination programme.

"The issue is that for every person you vaccinate who isn't in the most vulnerable group, that's somebody in the most vulnerable group who isn't getting their vaccine and who is more likely to die in the next few weeks and months,"