Bernard Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 Just as a warning to anyone who has recently received any Bioammo Lux Steel, 32 gram no4 12 Bore carts from JustCartridges. I have lot number 195012 and none of the cartridges have been charged with smokeless powder. I was flighting ducks at a local river and I pulled the trigger. I heard the primer go off and watched a squirt of shot come out of the muzzle like a low pressure hose pipe. I checked the barrel and the wad was in the forcing cone. I cut a length of hazel and used it to push the wad back out of the chamber end. Assumed it was a one off. Clear barrel, reload, same thing! I’ve selected random cartridges from the slab and cut them open. No powder in them. I’m impressed with the pressure of the primer but livid at the Bioammo quality control…. I’ll be contacting JustCartridges when they open after the hols and will update this thread with the results. Bernard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 Thanks for the warning I shall check my lot number and cut a few up incase it’s not a isolated incident 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 Be sick as a pig if you bought them to take on a expensive let day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 Blimey, quality control had a day off when they were made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Posted January 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 Here’s a vid. This is the 5th one I cut up. Did it in case JC need proof. I also kept the case and extracted wad from the event by the river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 Good job it was'nt your first shot with a semi auto it could have been nasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger687 Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 That does not bode well at all, but JC will more than likely replace them without any fuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Blimey, quality control had a day off when they were made. Indeed, the loading machine if set correctly will stop if no correct powder charge is present and then so many within each lot are supposed to be test fired to comply with CIP. Would never of happened if they were red cartridges 😂 looking like an expensive error for all involved, scrapping the entire lot, ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Smudger687 said: That does not bode well at all, but JC will more than likely replace them without any fuss But how will they replace the wasted day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger687 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: But how will they replace the wasted day? Hadn't considered that, but you have a point. I think it's only fair that they should replace the lost day with one of a roughly similar value, so a day at Brigands should suffice 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 19 minutes ago, Smudger687 said: Hadn't considered that, but you have a point. I think it's only fair that they should replace the lost day with one of a roughly similar value, so a day at Brigands should suffice 🤣 Good luck with that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 Hello, looking at the importers web site Shooting Star they seem to produce cartridges , as well I presume importing direct from manufacture , in batches I presume so this may lead to 1000s with the same problem of no powder as shown with Bernards post , I wonder how many importers customers like JC have received these faulty cartridges, I am sure JC will put this right but it does not bode well for Bio Ammo, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 Would be interesting weigh them and see how many in the slab are empty or if any are light loaded, not that 2% isn't enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Posted January 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 Weighed two boxes. All consistently within 10gn of each other and empty carts at that weight range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 Nightmare when you are out on your own. Keep us updated with your trip to Brigands 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Posted January 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 27 minutes ago, Bernard said: Weighed two boxes. All consistently within 10gn of each other and empty carts at that weight range. Should clarify. +\- 10gn. So within about a gram and a half. Can’t find one with powder in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 Problem now is a trust thing if we can’t trust the manufacturers to put in the propellant will they in the future put in the proper wads or shot of the labelled size Very poor quality control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Bernard said: Weighed two boxes. All consistently within 10gn of each other and empty carts at that weight range. 2 hours ago, Bernard said: Should clarify. +\- 10gn. So within about a gram and a half. Can’t find one with powder in. Does that mean that the missing powder weight has been made up with extra steel shot during the manufacturing process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Does that mean that the missing powder weight has been made up with extra steel shot during the manufacturing process? Apparently there’s no steel in bioammo shot I’m beginning to wonder now 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Posted January 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 55 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Does that mean that the missing powder weight has been made up with extra steel shot during the manufacturing process? I don’t have any with a powder charge in to compare with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Bernard said: I don’t have any with a powder charge in to compare with. I thought you had some duds in a slab not the whole slab! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger687 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 I actually have 3 slabs with the same offending lot number in 32g 3 shot. I sampled a shell from each slab and they all contained powder. Possibly the powder supply on the assembly line was blocked temporarily but resolved itself without anyone realizing? Don't know, OP might just be a bit unlucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Posted January 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Smudger687 said: I actually have 3 slabs with the same offending lot number in 32g 3 shot. I sampled a shell from each slab and they all contained powder. Possibly the powder supply on the assembly line was blocked temporarily but resolved itself without anyone realizing? Don't know, OP might just be a bit unlucky That’s interesting. Wonder if anyone else with No 4 shot has an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 58 minutes ago, Bernard said: That’s interesting. Wonder if anyone else with No 4 shot has an issue. What’s interesting is that how can two different cartridges, all be it probably only the shot size is different, be the same lot number when it reality they are different lots? it should be impossible for the powder assembly line to block temporarily without anybody noticing on a properly setup automatic load machine. Luck should play no part in the production of cartridges. They would have had to stop production, to swap shot sizes. Bioammo production procedures and quality control look to be very poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) Well at least it was only ducks. Imagine if it had been feral dogs. Or the OP had been called out to perform a humane despatch after a road accident. Edited January 3, 2022 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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