WalkedUp Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 28/01/2022 at 17:25, JDog said: Don’t fall into the trap of believing that the shoot owner didn’t know anything about birds being discarded in that way. Agree. Their lackie keeps quiet and gets an easy job at the owner’s pal’s estate. Which is what happened on a moor in the Peaks with BoP persecution. Keeper took the fall and then got ‘sacked’ to a better moor on better money in another area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, bluesj said: And that is why shoots have to be and be seen to be squeaky clean, but I'm sure we will be here again when the next lot of birds are found dumped in a ditch. Yes indeed - probably from the cosy LACS and BBC duo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, bluesj said: And that is why shoots have to be and be seen to be squeaky clean, but I'm sure we will be here again when the next lot of birds are found dumped in a ditch. save your breath just sit back and watch game shooting make it ten times worse by complaining the bbc exposed this fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, clangerman said: save your breath just sit back and watch game shooting make it ten times worse by complaining the bbc exposed this fool I have read a few threads about this and seems to be the biggest gripe is the bbc / lacs exposed it not that the shoot couldn't be bothered to follow the rules and give us all a bad name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, bluesj said: I have read a few threads about this and seems to be the biggest gripe is the bbc / lacs exposed it not that the shoot couldn't be bothered to follow the rules and give us all a bad name exactly same happens every time should have congratulated the beeb on helping put our house in order blah blah etc no such thing as bad pr just bad management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 29 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: Agree. Their lackie keeps quiet and gets an easy job at the owner’s pal’s estate. Which is what happened on a moor in the Peaks with BoP persecution. Keeper took the fall and then got ‘sacked’ to a better moor on better money in another area. Neither you nor JDog ( whose post you were quoting when you posted this ) know this for certain, regarding the topic in hand, unless you have inside information of course. If not then you’re just assuming. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly and eager some shooters on here are to think the worst of others. I doubt anyone on here who shoots birds can honestly claim they have never dumped either an entire or processed bird, game or otherwise. 45 minutes ago, bluesj said: And that is why shoots have to be and be seen to be squeaky clean, but I'm sure we will be here again when the next lot of birds are found dumped in a ditch. It’s never going to happen. We’re in the dirty business of killing stuff for sport. There will always be birds on most days shooting of any kind, which just aren’t fit to be eaten or even processed. What do you do with yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Scully said: Neither you nor JDog ( whose post you were quoting when you posted this ) know this for certain, regarding the topic in hand, unless you have inside information of course. If not then you’re just assuming. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly and eager some shooters on here are to think the worst of others. I doubt anyone on here who shoots birds can honestly claim they have never dumped either an entire or processed bird, game or otherwise. It’s never going to happen. We’re in the dirty business of killing stuff for sport. There will always be birds on most days shooting of any kind, which just aren’t fit to be eaten or even processed. What do you do with yours? How about disposing of then through a licensed facility! If you shoot a pheasant or deer for that matter and you breast / dress it you can leave the waste where it is if you pick it up and carry out the dressing somewhere else the waste should be disposed of in the same way as any other cat3 ABP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 24 minutes ago, Scully said: Neither you nor JDog ( whose post you were quoting when you posted this ) know this for certain, regarding the topic in hand, unless you have inside information of course. If not then you’re just assuming. Very true, I should have made clear it was my opinion rather than any statement of fact. I also do not know it as fact from the moor, just rumour and coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bluesj said: How about disposing of then through a licensed facility! If you shoot a pheasant or deer for that matter and you breast / dress it you can leave the waste where it is if you pick it up and carry out the dressing somewhere else the waste should be disposed of in the same way as any other cat3 ABP After Hare drives we would take the carcasses ( in any condition ) to a local poultry processing plant. They would take a thing, not sure if they still do; we don’t drive Hares anymore. Saying that, it isn’t always practical for various numbers, so they get processed and dumped, just like everybody else does. You know as well as I do, that home processed birds go in the garbage. I take all the detritus as I have ferrets. Edited January 31, 2022 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 31 minutes ago, Scully said: There will always be birds on most days shooting of any kind, which just aren’t fit to be eaten or even processed. What do you do with yours? Crows etc are left in hedges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, bluesj said: How about disposing of then through a licensed facility! If you shoot a pheasant or deer for that matter and you breast / dress it you can leave the waste where it is if you pick it up and carry out the dressing somewhere else the waste should be disposed of in the same way as any other cat3 ABP Maybe I am breaking some sort or law , or what I am doing is perfectly legal , most weeks I pluck or de breast a duck or a game bird , I sit in my garage with the radio on while I am plucking say a Mallard , all the feathers go into a bucket until fully plucked and then the wings , feet , neck and head is cut off and put in the same bucket it is then tipped into a carrier bag that is then tied up and put in the general rubbish bin , the bird is then drawn and the contents put into another bag and likewise sealed up and again in the bin , job sorted and my tea is all ready for the oven , hopefully without breaking the law . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, bluesj said: How about disposing of then through a licensed facility! If you shoot a pheasant or deer for that matter and you breast / dress it you can leave the waste where it is if you pick it up and carry out the dressing somewhere else the waste should be disposed of in the same way as any other cat3 ABP Or….. you can return it to the land where it came from. Nature does the rest - as with all dead animals which come to the end of their natural. As long as we’re not talking about industrial quantities of course - which we’re not in the case above. When I was shooting pigeons during the last summer heat wave, I had about 20 shot pigeons lying in the hedge back, which became heavily fly blown by evening. I scattered them about the field margin. On returning a couple of weeks later there were just a few feathers. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 28/01/2022 at 21:09, Old farrier said: Either way neither should be dumped in a watercourse it’s about time commercial shoots had a waste disposal protocol in place all shoots will get some birds unfit for the food chain and they should be disposed of in a proper manner with the pressure on shooting in the current climate correct disposal of any business waste generated should be a priority just my thoughts 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Fellside said: Or….. you can return it to the land where it came from. Nature does the rest - as with all dead animals which come to the end of their natural. As long as we’re not talking about industrial quantities of course - which we’re not in the case above. When I was shooting pigeons during the last summer heat wave, I had about 20 shot pigeons lying in the hedge back, which became heavily fly blown by evening. I scattered them about the field margin. On returning a couple of weeks later there were just a few feathers. Problem solved. P.S who on earth would take crows home for some sort of organised disposal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, marsh man said: Maybe I am breaking some sort or law , or what I am doing is perfectly legal , most weeks I pluck or de breast a duck or a game bird , I sit in my garage with the radio on while I am plucking say a Mallard , all the feathers go into a bucket until fully plucked and then the wings , feet , neck and head is cut off and put in the same bucket it is then tipped into a carrier bag that is then tied up and put in the general rubbish bin , the bird is then drawn and the contents put into another bag and likewise sealed up and again in the bin , job sorted and my tea is all ready for the oven , hopefully without breaking the law . 2 ways you are keeping with in the rules. 1 you are not a business, 2 you produce less that 20kg (sure its 20) per week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Walker570 said: 100% To be fair it wasn’t a large commercial quantity - or in a watercourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, marsh man said: Maybe I am breaking some sort or law , or what I am doing is perfectly legal , most weeks I pluck or de breast a duck or a game bird , I sit in my garage with the radio on while I am plucking say a Mallard , all the feathers go into a bucket until fully plucked and then the wings , feet , neck and head is cut off and put in the same bucket it is then tipped into a carrier bag that is then tied up and put in the general rubbish bin , the bird is then drawn and the contents put into another bag and likewise sealed up and again in the bin , job sorted and my tea is all ready for the oven , hopefully without breaking the law . Don’t worry MM, you’re not breaking any laws. Somebody’s heart no doubt, but no laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fellside said: Or….. you can return it to the land where it came from. Nature does the rest - as with all dead animals which come to the end of their natural. As long as we’re not talking about industrial quantities of course - which we’re not in the case above. When I was shooting pigeons during the last summer heat wave, I had about 20 shot pigeons lying in the hedge back, which became heavily fly blown by evening. I scattered them about the field margin. On returning a couple of weeks later there were just a few feathers. Problem solved. and not bother with the animal by-product regulations as they are just there for other people to follow, a bit like lock down rules if you live or work in no10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Certainly one or two carcases are no problem if left for the night crew to clear up. However do it in a sensible manner. I found three braced of pheasants, tied and relatively fresh in a ditch adjacent to a local shoot. They appeared to have been thrown there. You have to ask why? If you don't want them then don't take them, don't chuck them in a ditch along a public highway. There are some pathetically stupid folk even in our community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, bluesj said: and not bother with the animal by-product regulations as they are just there for other people to follow, a bit like lock down rules if you live or work in no10. As you’ve already said - it’s sub 20 KG and non commercial. That happens to be why. I do a fair bit of shooting but can’t imagine getting ever through that kind of volume. 2 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Certainly one or two carcases are no problem if left for the night crew to clear up. However do it in a sensible manner. I found three braced of pheasants, tied and relatively fresh in a ditch adjacent to a local shoot. They appeared to have been thrown there. You have to ask why? If you don't want them then don't take them, don't chuck them in a ditch along a public highway. There are some pathetically stupid folk even in our community. Yes agree - stupid. No other word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 if you clipped the wife you wouldn’t want anyone finding her just treat birds in the same manner simple enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Fellside said: To be fair it wasn’t a large commercial quantity - or in a watercourse. This. Anyone recall the footage of someone using a mini digger to shovel processed pheasant carcasses into a hole three or four seasons ago? There was uproar about it. The NGO criticised them immensely, so I phoned them to ask why. I was told that while it isn’t illegal to bury carcasses in such a manner, it was the fact the meat was bound for human consumption via the trade, and that the shoot had neither the facilities to process or store the birds, and that is what they were in breach of. If I gave a chef half a dozen birds in feather ( as I was doing at the time ) but not being paid for them ( which I wasn’t, admittedly not in cash anyhow ) then it became his responsibility to ensure they were processed and stored in the correct manner and the waste got rid of properly, because he was in business. While what has gone on in the topic at hand, has done none of us any favours, nothing as you rightly say, so far as we know, is illegal about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 How hard is it to put them into a waste bin ? absolutely no need for dumping anything in the countryside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Fellside said: As you’ve already said - it’s sub 20 KG and non commercial. That happens to be why. I do a fair bit of shooting but can’t imagine getting ever through that kind of volume. But the OP is about a commercial shoot and someone employed by them disposing of commercial waste by chucking it in a pit. On sit burial of abp has been against the law for around 25 years. It seems that a lot on here and elsewhere can't see a problem with flouting the law and all the bad press it can bring to shooting but what the **** at least someone save the £20 disposal bill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, clangerman said: if you clipped the wife you wouldn’t want anyone finding her just treat birds in the same manner simple enough Never having ‘clipped the wife’, I’ll just have to take your word for that. 🤔 Your posts grow more and more surreal as time goes by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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