Post covid research on damage to society, education etc

[Mungler]

Well, well, well.

Those WhatsApps are an interesting glimpse into what was going on in real time.

Hancock should be put in chains by the end of this week for what he’s done to the country.

Are the mask / lockdown enthusiasts still as enthusiastic as they ever were, even now and with the release of more information and facts?

[Mungler]

Oh, and this is the reason behind everything.

The government didn’t want to row back in case everybody worked out they had got it wrong and were a bunch of idiots making it up as they went along.

 

[Mungler]

Ooops. Turns out lockdowns were pointless and really bad for us; who knew? 😆

[Penelope]

19 hours ago, Mungler said:

Ooops. Turns out lockdowns were pointless and really bad for us; who knew? 😆

There's a surprise, not!

[Mungler]

Thought I’d dig this one up again.

The mass hysteria, ignorance and sheer lack of objective statistical analysis that overtook the world is frightening. The consequences and damage lives on (and still hasn’t properly manifest in economic terms).

It’s Orwellian how people want and need to be told what to do; particularly in a free society we have this habit of projecting and crediting our leaders as our being our ‘betters’ - more knowledgeable, more capable, more experienced and so on. Indeed, we’re all in for a shock under the current Labour government which is stocked full of the thickest of the thick.

Back to covid - we can all guess why we haven’t had a proper enquiry and held to account those negligent nitwits who destroyed the lives and futures of so many.

And this nonsense only occurred and continued because everyone went along with it. 

Remember how the left applauded that thicko Arden for locking down and totally isolating New Zealand? She was cheered on as the young brave face of the new left, however, the problem was she was thick as mince and not upto the task. [nudge - Angela Rayner] 

Anyone who called for those extra lockdowns and continued mask wearing - well, you must already know you’re a bit dim.
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[vmaxphil]

So what happened to the covid 19 bug, did it just disappear? mutated to a common cold? or have we just forgotten about it? if its still about why is there not "bodies piled in the streets" 

[Mungler]

14 minutes ago, vmaxphil said:

So what happened to the covid 19 bug, did it just disappear? mutated to a common cold? or have we just forgotten about it? if its still about why is there not "bodies piled in the streets" 

Started off like strong flu and the mutated down over time to something now like a cold (as viruses tend to). 

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, Many Hospitals now have a Long Covid Dpt with people still suffering the effects of Covid , The Churchill in Oxford is one that I am trying to get an Appointment

[johnphilip]

31 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Many Hospitals now have a Long Covid Dpt with people still suffering the effects of Covid , The Churchill in Oxford is one that I am trying to get an Appointment

I have this question. Is it long covid. Due to the covid. Virus. Or long covid due to. The vaccination. I belive there are appropriate 2 million people in the UK. With. "  long covid "

I liken this. Long covid. To what I have had for 30 years  namely  M.E . / CFS  , I lost my job. In 1994 with it. No cure . 15 years ago I was infront of the medical board. , ah nothing wrong  with you. Fit for work . Why did my employer  who I had. Worked. For 30 plus. Years let me go, because. I could not do my job . Some days I can do some light. Stuff others. Days. Spent worn  out sat on the sofa.  In the end I sold my beautiful  home. And just lived of the money , not beholding to anyone or " the State  " . I feel for these. People  back in the. Early 90s.  Doctors did not. Belive. In  M.E. / CFS   its all in your mind  they said. . I lead a. Very active  live. Long distance. Walking on a weekend. Long runs out on the push bike all through the covid outbreak it did not really bother me as I never really. Went anywhere  .

But we all became. Prisoners  . If you popped to the local village. Shop , the roads were empty,  you got a feeling people. Were staring at you , what you doing out of the house . Not a nice time .

Edited September 21 by johnphilip

[oldypigeonpopper]

49 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

I have this question. Is it long covid. Due to the covid. Virus. Or long covid due to. The vaccination. I belive there are appropriate 2 million people in the UK. With. "  long covid "

I liken this. Long covid. To what I have had for 30 years  namely  M.E . / CFS  , I lost my job. In 1994 with it. No cure . 15 years ago I was infront of the medical board. , ah nothing wrong  with you. Fit for work . Why did my employer  who I had. Worked. For 30 plus. Years let me go, because. I could not do my job . Some days I can do some light. Stuff others. Days. Spent worn  out sat on the sofa.  In the end I sold my beautiful  home. And just lived of the money , not beholding to anyone or " the State  " . I feel for these. People  back in the. Early 90s.  Doctors did not. Belive. In  M.E. / CFS   its all in your mind  they said. . I lead a. Very active  live. Long distance. Walking on a weekend. Long runs out on the push bike all through the covid outbreak it did not really bother me as I never really. Went anywhere  .

But we all became. Prisoners  . If you popped to the local village. Shop , the roads were empty,  you got a feeling people. Were staring at you , what you doing out of the house . Not a nice time .

Hello, I have no idea but speaking to the Consultant in the L/C department on the effects of Long Covid all the signs show you need to get checked over

[Mungler]

1 hour ago, johnphilip said:

I have this question. Is it long covid. Due to the covid. Virus. Or long covid due to. The vaccination. I belive there are appropriate 2 million people in the UK. With. "  long covid "

I liken this. Long covid. To what I have had for 30 years  namely  M.E . / CFS  , I lost my job. In 1994 with it. No cure . 15 years ago I was infront of the medical board. , ah nothing wrong  with you. Fit for work . Why did my employer  who I had. Worked. For 30 plus. Years let me go, because. I could not do my job . Some days I can do some light. Stuff others. Days. Spent worn  out sat on the sofa.  In the end I sold my beautiful  home. And just lived of the money , not beholding to anyone or " the State  " . I feel for these. People  back in the. Early 90s.  Doctors did not. Belive. In  M.E. / CFS   its all in your mind  they said. . I lead a. Very active  live. Long distance. Walking on a weekend. Long runs out on the push bike all through the covid outbreak it did not really bother me as I never really. Went anywhere  .

But we all became. Prisoners  . If you popped to the local village. Shop , the roads were empty,  you got a feeling people. Were staring at you , what you doing out of the house . Not a nice time .

 

As I understand it, ME is long term viral impact / load on the body. Hallmarked Yupie flu because of the city workers hit with it in the 1980’s - burning the candle at both ends, running themselves and their immune systems down and then get walloped by a strong flu like virus which the body then never quite gets on top of.

Long covid has to be a variant of ME.

The first early covid strain was like a walloping flu, downgraded in later variants as no virus wants to wipe out its host.

They reckon that people only ever get real flu twice in their lives, measured by ‘there’s a £50 note on the floor right next to your bed and all you need to do is reach down and pick it up’ (if you can pick it up you don’t have flu).

[serrac]

9 hours ago, johnphilip said:

I have this question. Is it long covid. Due to the covid. Virus. Or long covid due to. The vaccination. I belive there are appropriate 2 million people in the UK. With. "  long covid "

Probably a fair bit of both given the "vaccine" programs cells to generate spike-protein which, surprise surprise, turned out to be a significantly pathogenic part of the covid virus.  And some of these poor souls are probably still being encouraged to keep taking the boosters, just because...

[old man]

10 hours ago, Mungler said:

Started off like strong flu and the mutated down over time to something now like a cold (as viruses tend to). 

Possibly but mutation can just as easily go the other way? 

Not totally in disagreement with you otherwise.

I'm afraid to look for anyone to accept any responsibility will send us doolally.

[Miserableolgit]

11 hours ago, vmaxphil said:

So what happened to the covid 19 bug, did it just disappear? mutated to a common cold? or have we just forgotten about it? if its still about why is there not "bodies piled in the streets" 

Scroll on by if you don't want to read a personal ramble..

Due to cancer and chemotherapy treatment I am immune compromised, as a result I was advised by my consultant to be fairly cautious and generally avoid crowded internal public spaces. My luck ran out at the end of July when both my wife and I caught Covid, more than likely from one of the guys who were here fitting a new pair of roller shutter doors. As I am at risk of it turning into something nasty I was quickly prescribed Paxlovid antivirals, the Mrs obviously had to go it alone. There followed an unpleasant couple of weeks for both of us [fever, shortness of breath, cough, etc] until there was an improvement. I had a week when I felt quite a bit better but then suffered what I learned was a 'rebound' which apparently is not uncommon after taking Paxlovid. Moving on both She Who Must Be Obeyed and I still lack energy, have coughs, headaches, joint pain etc. Some of this can be put down to my Big C but obviously not her.

Fit and healthy younger folks with no or few underlying health issues seem to have varied consequences from Covid currently but older bods with health  circumstances like me might do well to avoid the infection - but I guess it's all down to luck of the draw.    

[serrac]

12 hours ago, Mungler said:

Back to covid - we can all guess why we haven’t had a proper enquiry and held to account those negligent nitwits who destroyed the lives and futures of so many.
And this nonsense only occurred and continued because everyone went along with it.

The way the WEF talks about it you can almost imagine it was all planned to happen the way it did as test of our submission.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/09/my-carbon-an-approach-for-inclusive-and-sustainable-cities/

Our world is transforming – big community trends for sustainable cities

There have been significant developments in last five to seven years on social, environment and technology fronts that could help realise “My Carbon” initiatives for shaping the future towards smart and sustainable cities.

Specifically, to mention three developments in this context:

1. COVID-19 was the test of social responsibility – A huge number of unimaginable restrictions for public health were adopted by billions of citizens across the world. There were numerous examples globally of maintaining social distancing, wearing masks, mass vaccinations and acceptance of contact-tracing applications for public health, which demonstrated the core of individual social responsibility.

 

[johnphilip]

2 hours ago, serrac said:

Probably a fair bit of both given the "vaccine" programs cells to generate spike-protein which, surprise surprise, turned out to be a significantly pathogenic part of the covid virus.  And some of these poor souls are probably still being encouraged to keep taking the boosters, just because...

My wife after the second vaccination the next day she started with shakes hands and head , it went away after a couple of day . Then withing two months she developed  Essential tremors  I have it in my hands but that developed over quite some time , now she is on 150 mg of Propanalol a day. Doctors would not accept it could have been down to the vaccine. 

[Penelope]

On 21/09/2024 at 19:51, old man said:

Possibly but mutation can just as easily go the other way? 

No! What organism kills off the very means of survival?

[Scully]

15 minutes ago, Penelope said:

No! What organism kills off the very means of survival?

Cancer cells? 

[old man]

2 hours ago, Penelope said:

No! What organism kills off the very means of survival?

Apologies but I don't understand your specific reply?

My response was simply my, maybe poor understanding that viruses can mutate either way?

[ordnance]

6 hours ago, Penelope said:

No! What organism kills off the very means of survival?

Smallpox, the plague, polio, ebola, and plenty of others 🤔

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, There must be something in Long Covid as the Churchill Hospital Oxford has a Dedicated Department Consultant and Staff to cater for those affected , It must be busy as i have been trying to get an Appointment via my GP Surgery , Phoning at 8 am is forever busy😒

[100milesaway]

I wonder how many of you know that the doctors surgery get 25 Pounds for most of the injections that they give you including all the covid ones, flu ones and the shingles one.Add all those up and that is at least 100 pounds per patient every year. There is one doing the rounds at the moment to stop old folks getting a cold or sore throat....Another 25 quid in the coffers. This past couple of months I  have received 3 letters and 4 phone calls from my GPS surgery to try to persuade me to indulge in the programme and offer me an appointment for the same all at different times. It truly is amazing  that it took them a month to agree to see me when I broke 3 bones in my back a year last March and I  am still waiting for my treatment to start. Cynical,  me, but I  really think they could use their time and resources  with a bit more sense.

From Auntie 

[oowee]

1 hour ago, 100milesaway said:

I wonder how many of you know that the doctors surgery get 25 Pounds for most of the injections that they give you including all the covid ones, flu ones and the shingles one.Add all those up and that is at least 100 pounds per patient every year. There is one doing the rounds at the moment to stop old folks getting a cold or sore throat....Another 25 quid in the coffers. This past couple of months I  have received 3 letters and 4 phone calls from my GPS surgery to try to persuade me to indulge in the programme and offer me an appointment for the same all at different times. It truly is amazing  that it took them a month to agree to see me when I broke 3 bones in my back a year last March and I  am still waiting for my treatment to start. Cynical,  me, but I  really think they could use their time and resources  with a bit more sense.

From Auntie 

Sounds good where you live. My surgery refused to give me an appointment. I had to go to the pharmacy instead. 

[old man]

16 hours ago, 100milesaway said:

I wonder how many of you know that the doctors surgery get 25 Pounds for most of the injections that they give you including all the covid ones, flu ones and the shingles one.Add all those up and that is at least 100 pounds per patient every year. There is one doing the rounds at the moment to stop old folks getting a cold or sore throat....Another 25 quid in the coffers. This past couple of months I  have received 3 letters and 4 phone calls from my GPS surgery to try to persuade me to indulge in the programme and offer me an appointment for the same all at different times. It truly is amazing  that it took them a month to agree to see me when I broke 3 bones in my back a year last March and I  am still waiting for my treatment to start. Cynical,  me, but I  really think they could use their time and resources  with a bit more sense.

From Auntie 

Using resources to plunder the NHS pot?