holloway Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 Anyone tried any TSS in the 4.10 home loading ? Strikes me it could work quite well on the ducks at sensible ranges .Any thoughts or experience.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 yes, primed 76mm case, with 15gr SP3 and OPC, 20grams tss9 in a trimmed by 3mm TPS Steel wad topped with OSC, and RTO - does about 1125ft/sec Close range is 30 yards, 30 inch pattern is 50 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) Thanks Stonepark ,exactly what I wanted ,what is SP3 and OPC ? What did you use this load on ? just searched myself Vectan sp3 and an over powder card ? Must try to be less lazy !. Edited July 9, 2022 by holloway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger687 Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 49 minutes ago, holloway said: Anyone tried any TSS in the 4.10 home loading ? Strikes me it could work quite well on the ducks at sensible ranges .Any thoughts or experience.? The Americans use 9 shot TSS in .410's to take Turkeys with. Patterns at 40 yards are very impressive, I wouldn't be surprised if it would bring down Canada geese at that range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Smudger687 said: The Americans use 9 shot TSS in .410's to take Turkeys with. Patterns at 40 yards are very impressive, I wouldn't be surprised if it would bring down Canada geese at that range. Canada geese at 40 yards - with a 410 ? Really ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, jall25 said: Canada geese at 40 yards - with a 410 ? Really ? You want to read up on TSS shot, lads taking geese with 410 and 28 bore’s at ranges a lot longer than 40 yards. I think something like a size 9 pellet of TSS had the energy of a size 5 lead pellet. Being so much smaller you can shoot significant more pellets through an open choke and still have full patterns at long ranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: You want to read up on TSS shot, lads taking geese with 410 and 28 bore’s at ranges a lot longer than 40 yards. I think something like a size 9 pellet of TSS had the energy of a size 5 lead pellet. Being so much smaller you can shoot significant more pellets through an open choke and still have full patterns at long ranges. Both with 1300 ft/sec at the muzzle, 1.3 and 1.9 ftlbs respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, wymberley said: Both with 1300 ft/sec at the muzzle, 1.3 and 1.9 ftlbs respectively. Do you know what shot size in TSS is equal in energy to the shot size in lead? I think the lad I know who shot geese with his 28 bore triple crown was using something like size 5 or 6 TSS, and said that they would often drop in 2’s or 3’s out of the sky due to the ability to use much wider choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 34 minutes ago, jall25 said: Canada geese at 40 yards - with a 410 ? Really ? TSS9 gives an almost 100% pattern at 50 yards with a 410 and light choke. Dropping Geese at that range is not just due to individual TSS9 pellet energy or penetration but the fact you are hitting the goose with something like 25 to 30 pellets, instead of the normal 4-5 pellets upping the shot size to TSS No7 gives well over 50 yards of range. The 410 will also drop geese easily enough to 40 yards, just using 21 grams of plain old lead No4. (No different in pattern or energy at impact to 36g of no3 used at 50 yards in a 12b). Used with the correct ammunition, the 410 is more than capable as long as you understand the constraints, the problem is always the user where they try to use traditional 12b pellet sizes rather than optimising the pellet size for the cartridge and loading actually being used. Species - Loading - Range Geese - 18-21g No 4 - 35 to 40 yards Pheasant/Duck - 18-21g No7 - 35 to 40 yards Pigeon - 18-21g No7.5 - 35 to 40 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, holloway said: Thanks Stonepark ,exactly what I wanted ,what is SP3 and OPC ? What did you use this load on ? just searched myself Vectan sp3 and an over powder card ? Must try to be less lazy !. Load has been used on pheasant, duck, geese, but sparingly. Birds shot with TSS seem to collapse in mid air (mainly due to so many pellets). Below picture is loading at 50 yards, fired slightly off centre in a 40 inch by 30 inch sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger687 Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 43 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: You want to read up on TSS shot, lads taking geese with 410 and 28 bore’s at ranges a lot longer than 40 yards. I think something like a size 9 pellet of TSS had the energy of a size 5 lead pellet. Being so much smaller you can shoot significant more pellets through an open choke and still have full patterns at long ranges. Correct. I believe the rule of thumb is that TSS behaves like a lead pellet 5 sizes greater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Stonepark said: Load has been used on pheasant, duck, geese, but sparingly. Birds shot with TSS seem to collapse in mid air (mainly due to so many pellets). Below picture is loading at 50 yards, fired slightly off centre in a 40 inch by 30 inch sheet. That is impressive! Is your load pressure tested ? I watched a chap pattern testing TSS 9 shot for turkeys in America the only thing not to like is the price.Thanks for your info. Edited July 9, 2022 by holloway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, jall25 said: Canada geese at 40 yards - with a 410 ? Really ? Shot plenty at that range and beyond. Same rules as any type of shot get the core pattern up front they will be killed instantly. I could post a picture of a Greylag shot with 8.5's but can't be doing with the na sayers eg how do we know that's 45+ yards or with that bore of gun etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Stonepark said: yes, primed 76mm case, with 15gr SP3 and OPC, 20grams tss9 in a trimmed by 3mm TPS Steel wad topped with OSC, and RTO - does about 1125ft/sec Close range is 30 yards, 30 inch pattern is 50 yards. anyone used tss in a 12 bore 410 adaptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 39 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Do you know what shot size in TSS is equal in energy to the shot size in lead? I think the lad I know who shot geese with his 28 bore triple crown was using something like size 5 or 6 TSS, and said that they would often drop in 2’s or 3’s out of the sky due to the ability to use much wider choke. Like for like, TSS 8 is 2.1 PS Apologies! I wrote this a good 1/2 hour ago but then didn't hit submit well enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, 6.5x55SE said: Shot plenty at that range and beyond. Same rules as any type of shot get the core pattern up front they will be killed instantly. I could post a picture of a Greylag shot with 8.5's but can't be doing with the na sayers eg how do we know that's 45+ yards or with that bore of gun etc. Hey Boyd how about loading one up in 2bore and seeing how high TSS goes mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, derbyduck said: Hey Boyd how about loading one up in 2bore and seeing how high TSS goes mate Jesus Christ Tony that would be eye opening. 😳👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 Just now, 6.5x55SE said: Jesus Christ Tony that would be eye opening. 😳👍 Hi and a wallet opener Boyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 Next question is there a supplier who has any stock ,most seem to be out and have been for ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, derbyduck said: Hey Boyd how about loading one up in 2bore and seeing how high TSS goes mate To save everyone time and money with a reasonably accurate answer, TSS .11" with a MV0 1500 ft/sec would be 829 feet with a flight time of 4.75 secs to altitude - atmospherics all standard. Edited July 9, 2022 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, holloway said: Next question is there a supplier who has any stock ,most seem to be out and have been for ages. Personally don't buy from the UK. Get straight from China myself and those I've given details to have had a quick trouble free transaction and cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 57 minutes ago, holloway said: Is your load pressure tested ? No but I know from my other loadings, I would need to load 17+grains SP3 to start to be concerned about reaching pressure maximums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) I have chosen to go with bismuth..... 18g of 6s felt wad. Pattern well. Rather than if and but about different materials then Stonepark hit the nail. It is important to pattern YOUR 410 with various shot and sizes to find the optimum load. I have two Yildiz 410s identical 30 inch barrels and chokes. One throws a perfect 30 inch circle at a meaured 35yrds the other still throws a tidy pattern but spreads the shot to almost 40 inches using the full choke tubes. Finiky little gauge the 410 but great fun to shoot. Edited July 9, 2022 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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