Wasn’t expecting that!

[Vince Green]

1 hour ago, Smudger687 said:

And when the corrupt politicians remove your right to protest, as they almost certainly will, will you still be in favour of punishment for those that illegally protest?

Legality means nothing if crooks make laws.

I think you are a bit paranoid . The crooks are the ones doing the protest. What have  politicians got to do with anything mentioned in this thread ?

[discobob]

The issue is that these people either survive on the bank of mum and dad (trust fund etc) or are claiming benefits (while being able to go and do these protests) and have no fear about what is done to them because lets face it - it is sod all in real terms.

Meanwhile, for the silent majority - we can't do things like that, we hold down jobs, members on here are licensed etc.... and the effect on doing this type of stuff can have a major impact on our standard of living

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, Smudger687 said:

And when the corrupt politicians remove your right to protest, as they almost certainly will, will you still be in favour of punishment for those that illegally protest?

This bloke gives an interesting viewpoint , not saying hes right of course, but it wouldnt be the first time a protest movement has been hijacked by an outside influence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgmBKZLlOAA&t=4s

2 hours ago, welsh1 said:

On another note , i check Local Exhaust Ventilation systems reports (LEV) and one of the big things is the effect that fine dust is having on lungs, and looking at that cloud of dust travelling through the air i feel sorry for anyone who has breathed it in.

Possible assault with a noxious substance charge ?

[discobob]

4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

This bloke gives an interesting viewpoint , not saying hes right of course, but it wouldnt be the first time a protest movement has been hijacked by an outside influence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgmBKZLlOAA&t=4s

Your a Geoff follower - puts his stuff across well I find

[Scully]

1 hour ago, discobob said:

The issue is that these people either survive on the bank of mum and dad (trust fund etc) or are claiming benefits (while being able to go and do these protests) and have no fear about what is done to them because lets face it - it is sod all in real terms.

Meanwhile, for the silent majority - we can't do things like that, we hold down jobs, members on here are licensed etc.... and the effect on doing this type of stuff can have a major impact on our standard of living

I sometimes wonder what they do for a living. I mean what do you tell your boss when you say you won’t be at work tomorrow because you’re either banged up or you’re appearing in court? 
What happens if your boss sees you on the news, leaping onto a snooker table covered in powder, or destroying a shop display or glued to a slip road? 
It’s not like you can keep things like this quiet; the exact opposite is the entire purpose. 

[Gordon R]

smudger687 - perhaps you could state just where you draw the line. If you think breaking the law is acceptable, perhaps you should surrender any shooting licence you might hold.

These are not people saving the planet, these are inadequate morons, who think they have the right to disrupt other people's lives. If you had a ticket to watch last night's snooker, would you be happy that you paid money to watch halfwits armed with paint powder or might you feel you had missed part of the world championship? 

[Rewulf]

23 minutes ago, discobob said:

Your a Geoff follower - puts his stuff across well I find

Just discovered him 

[discobob]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Just discovered him 

Have a look at his C40 video - very enlightening and helps you realise who is supporting the common man (hint - no one in government)

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, Scully said:

I sometimes wonder what they do for a living.

I rather suspect - nothing. 

Some will be funded by 'bank of Mum & Dad' or 'husband/wife' in that they will have income without working, some will be on benefits. 

I understand (never tried it and never even investigated, but that's what I have been told) that if you are determined to 'not to work' and are prepared to be less than fully truthful, particularly about your health, you can fairly easily get on various benefits and get paid by the state to be bone idle all your life and have a full pension when you reach pension age.  Also - I don't know if it is the case now, but in my youth students were funded to go on picket lines, demos, etc., and coaches laid on to take them.  In those days various 'hard left' and anti Gov't organisations funded picket lines and secondary pickets.

[Scully]

30 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I rather suspect - nothing. 

Some will be funded by 'bank of Mum & Dad' or 'husband/wife' in that they will have income without working, some will be on benefits. 

I understand (never tried it and never even investigated, but that's what I have been told) that if you are determined to 'not to work' and are prepared to be less than fully truthful, particularly about your health, you can fairly easily get on various benefits and get paid by the state to be bone idle all your life and have a full pension when you reach pension age.  Also - I don't know if it is the case now, but in my youth students were funded to go on picket lines, demos, etc., and coaches laid on to take them.  In those days various 'hard left' and anti Gov't organisations funded picket lines and secondary pickets.

You may well be right. I do of course know many folk who have made a living out of the benefit system; topping it up with cash in hand jobs etc.

There's a bloke in town who is in the ‘Monday Club’ as it’s become know locally, who can be seen sitting outside the local pub in good weather, each and every Monday. He is covered in tattoos ( which ain’t cheap ) smokes and drinks, and tops up his benefits with a few drug deals etc. The annoying thing is he’s a nice bloke, as is his wife who does the odd stint in charity shops as part of her benefits deal. 
The impression I got from those pouring milk over F&M’s displays was one of affluent college or uni’ types; well dressed and well educated if not too articulate. 

Edited April 18, 2023 by Scully

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, Scully said:

You may well be right. I do of course know many folk who have made a living out of the benefit system; topping it up with cash in hand jobs etc.

There's a bloke in town who is in the ‘Monday Club’ as it’s become know locally, who can be seen sitting outside the local pub in good weather, each and every Monday. He is covered in tattoos ( which ain’t cheap ) smokes and drinks, and tops up his benefits with a few drug deals etc. The annoying thing is he’s a nice bloke, as is his wife who does the odd stint in charity shops as part of her benefits deal. 
The impression I got from those pouring milk over F&M’s displays was one of affluent college or uni’ types; well dressed and well educated if not too articulate. 

It appears that the guy who put the orange paint powder on the snooker table gets 'crowdfunding';  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11985461/Just-Stop-Oil-zealot-disrupted-snooker-student-25-crowdfunds-stage-eco-stunts.html

Man named Whittingham who is a student and has already been arrested 6 times and sent to prison once for blockading an oil refinery.  Absolute menace to society and clearly costing the police/courts (i.e taxpayer) a fortune for his childish actions.

[Gordon R]

Rewulf has made a very valid point. The CPS should not be looking at these idiots as protesters, but as hardened criminals. Someone should be exploring every possible charge:-

Offences against the person - Section 24

Criminal damage

Public Order

There must be far more.

I saw a few weeks ago that some barristers were saying they would not interested in acting for the prosecution in this type of case. I think that the Legal Aid system needs to be crossing those barristers  off their list for other types of cases. I find it bizarre that the legal profession represents robbers, rapists and murderers, but suddenly developed scruples when it comes to eco-idiots.

 

[JohnfromUK]

7 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

The CPS should not be looking at these idiots as protesters, but as hardened criminals.

This Whittingham has been arrested 6 times in the last year and jailed once.  That is not an 'innocent protester' - and is certainly a repeat offender.

 

[Scully]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

This Whittingham has been arrested 6 times in the last year and jailed once.  That is not an 'innocent protester' - and is certainly a repeat offender.

 

Indeed, and a student at a university partly funded by Shell. 

[ditchman]

whats the betting that these scallies will rear their colective ugly heads at the corination !

[JohnfromUK]

6 hours ago, ditchman said:

whats the betting that these scallies will rear their colective ugly heads at the corination !

Apparently their 'sister' organisation (they are all founded/led/organised by one Roger Hallam) Extinction Rebellion are planning a huge demo in London this weekend, and one no stranger to these pages - Chris Packham - has asked his followers to attend and support.

[old man]

On 17/04/2023 at 21:51, Vince Green said:

The protestors have no self doubt. But I have a question to ask

 Who is pulling their strings? 

Also, who is allowing it to go unchallenged?

[Penelope]

16 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

It appears that the guy who put the orange paint powder on the snooker table gets 'crowdfunding';  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11985461/Just-Stop-Oil-zealot-disrupted-snooker-student-25-crowdfunds-stage-eco-stunts.html

Man named Whittingham who is a student and has already been arrested 6 times and sent to prison once for blockading an oil refinery.  Absolute menace to society and clearly costing the police/courts (i.e taxpayer) a fortune for his childish actions.

His ol' man is a very wealthy investor, too, I believe.

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Apparently their 'sister' organisation (they are all founded/led/organised by one Roger Hallam) Extinction Rebellion are planning a huge demo in London this weekend, and one no stranger to these pages - Chris Packham - has asked his followers to attend and support.

Could disrupt the Marathon and FA Cup games (though probably not the later; don't think they'd come off well)..

[Vince Green]

21 hours ago, Rewulf said:

This bloke gives an interesting viewpoint , not saying hes right of course, but it wouldnt be the first time a protest movement has been hijacked by an outside influence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgmBKZLlOAA&t=4s

Possible assault with a noxious substance charge ?

It's a front for Socialist Action

It has their stamp all over it

[discobob]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

It's a front for Socialist Action

It has their stamp all over it

And who funds them???

[Vince Green]

Just now, discobob said:

And who funds them???

Russia

[Smudger687]

21 hours ago, Gordon R said:

smudger687 - perhaps you could state just where you draw the line. If you think breaking the law is acceptable, perhaps you should surrender any shooting licence you might hold.

These are not people saving the planet, these are inadequate morons, who think they have the right to disrupt other people's lives. If you had a ticket to watch last night's snooker, would you be happy that you paid money to watch halfwits armed with paint powder or might you feel you had missed part of the world championship? 

These are not hardened criminals, this is a knobhead who put orange powder on a snooker table as a publicity stunt. Nobody was harmed, no priceless items were destroyed, yet you call for tougher action, tougher fines, longer jail sentences. All this does is embolden the politicians to strip us all of our right to protest. 

>"Surrender your firearm if you can't be a good boy"

You nicely demonstrate the superiority complex that many in the UK shooting community are unfortunately afflicted with, the characteristic symptom being that you  think that you are special, simply because the police have allowed you to own a gun. 

Boot polish is on sale at the moment, you'd best stock up with how quickly you're going through it mate. 

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Russia

Really? That's misdirection at the very least! 

I would wager the funding of such things comes from a certain ageing Hungarian billionaire. 

[welsh1]

4 minutes ago, Smudger687 said:

These are not hardened criminals, this is a knobhead who put orange powder on a snooker table as a publicity stunt. Nobody was harmed, no priceless items were destroyed, yet you call for tougher action, tougher fines, longer jail sentences. All this does is embolden the politicians to strip us all of our right to protest. 

>"Surrender your firearm if you can't be a good boy"

You nicely demonstrate the superiority complex that many in the UK shooting community are unfortunately afflicted with, the characteristic symptom being that you  think that you are special, simply because the police have allowed you to own a gun. 

Boot polish is on sale at the moment, you'd best stock up with how quickly you're going through it mate. 

Nobody harmed? i would suggest you read up on the latest studies on the effects of fine dust on the respiratory system in an enclosed space.A killer much like asbestosis.

By releasing all that paint dust in an enclosed space he put many people at risk of now having a ticking time bomb in their lungs.

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, Smudger687 said:

These are not hardened criminals, this is a knobhead who put orange powder on a snooker table as a publicity stunt. Nobody was harmed

A man who advertises criminality for money, damages property, and disrupts others business and leisure, may not be a 'hardened' criminal. 

But a criminal he is. And should be deterred from further action. 

I can't see how you can argue with that???