Downforce Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) The government think its going to solve knife crime by banning certain types of machetes and long (what is long) knives. The legislation introduced to ban certain types of knives doesn't seem to have helped and there is a contention that machetes and long (!) knives serve no legitimate purpose - is that what you think? If not have your say. As outdoorsy people I'm sure many of us have long (ish) sheath knives, particularly hunters. You may want to spend 15 minutes reviewing the proposals and responding to the consultation at https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/machetes-and-other-bladed-articles-proposed-legislation Consultation ends Tuesday 6 June Take care how the questions are worded though some of them seem very reasonable until you start to think about it, I was particularly concerned at the proposals to ban possession in private - which could affect many collectors and hunters (as well as scouts, scuba divers, mariners, parachutists, climbers, etc. etc.) D Edited June 4, 2023 by Downforce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Drugs are banned but that has not stopped drug crime .Politicians are the only people who thing words on paper actually affect reality .Its the innocent users who will suffer , get prosecuted ,but it wont make the slightest difference for stupid idiots in inner cities stabbing each other . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downforce Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Gunman said: Drugs are banned but that has not stopped drug crime .Politicians are the only people who thing words on paper actually affect reality .Its the innocent users who will suffer , get prosecuted ,but it wont make the slightest difference for stupid idiots in inner cities stabbing each other . Agree - How many people get stabbed in prison where all knives are banned ? I personally dont see that banning a particular kind of knife stops crime, but it just make it easier to prosecute and secure a conviction. You only have to look at "fly on the wall" police programmes to see regular misuse of Sec5 Public Order Act to arrest people when the conditions are not met. Anything that makes it easy to prosecute also effectively removes the rights of legitimate users and increases the potential of getting a conviction. My particular concern is someone that has something in a box somewhere theyve forgotten about and gets prosecuted for being in possession in private. D Edited June 4, 2023 by Downforce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 our goverment are so stupid to think banning knifes or any thing will stop the stabbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 A knife expert .points out that banning long bladed knives like machetes will INCREASE the number of knife deaths and make City streets MORE dangerous not less . As very few people actually die from a chop or slashing wound from a big blade compared to a stab from a screw driver or kitchen knife . Which is easier to hide so more likely to be carried and used . A machete is threatening ,a screwdriver less so - so more likely to be used with more fatal consequences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spr1985 Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 The sooner the rule/law makers realise that laws only affect law abiding people the better. Criminals/ those that have no care for law don’t give a monkeys if something is illegal. As has already pointed out drugs are illegal people still do drugs, speeding is illegal people still speed, drink driving is illegal and people still do it. Having guns that are not on ticket are illegal and yet plenty of shootings still occur with illegal guns irrelevant of type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 The Government doesn’t think that banning ‘long knives’ will prevent people being stabbed, nor is it stupid, quite the reverse in fact. The government knows it is absolutely powerless to prevent people from being stabbed, but pressure groups harass ministers to the point where something has to be done, and government trot out the same old inept policies to placate a very gullible general public, who now think ‘something’ has indeed been done. The cynical government know as well as you or I that no number of ‘hand in’ campaigns or ‘knife amnesties’ will make one iota of difference to stabbings or knifings, but they have now been seen to do ‘something’. Sorted. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windswept Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Well I've completed the online consultation. I've tried to stress that many of the items they are suggesting to ban are tools used by many people. But it is very one sided and aimed to get you to agree with a ban of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downforce Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, mossy835 said: our goverment are so stupid to think banning knifes or any thing will stop the stabbing. But the problem is that before they can do anything they are obliged to carry out consultations obviously they shuffle the consultation deck in a way to get people to agree to the plan the firearms consultation had an appalling response from individuals probably because (like me) people were not aware of the consultation or the impact or just can’t be bothered to reply that makes it easier to say everyone agrees 20 minutes ago, Windswept said: Well I've completed the online consultation. I've tried to stress that many of the items they are suggesting to ban are tools used by many people. But it is very one sided and aimed to get you to agree with a ban of some sort. 👍 Edited June 4, 2023 by Downforce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downforce Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 21 minutes ago, Windswept said: Well I've completed the online consultation. I've tried to stress that many of the items they are suggesting to ban are tools used by many people. But it is very one sided and aimed to get you to agree with a ban of some sort. 👍 36 minutes ago, Scully said: The Government doesn’t think that banning ‘long knives’ will prevent people being stabbed, nor is it stupid, quite the reverse in fact. The government knows it is absolutely powerless to prevent people from being stabbed, but pressure groups harass ministers to the point where something has to be done, and government trot out the same old inept policies to placate a very gullible general public, who now think ‘something’ has indeed been done. The cynical government know as well as you or I that no number of ‘hand in’ campaigns or ‘knife amnesties’ will make one iota of difference to stabbings or knifings, but they have now been seen to do ‘something’. Sorted. 👍 Probably on the money but if we all don’t go and say what about hunters and scuba divers and scouts and campers and all the others their assumption that there’s no legitimate use for machetes “and long knives” “Long knives” there’s a thing the consultations don’t actually define it - you watch any legislation will be broader than the consultation process suggested I bet D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, Downforce said: 👍 Probably on the money but if we all don’t go and say what about hunters and scuba divers and scouts and campers and all the others their assumption that there’s no legitimate use for machetes “and long knives” “Long knives” there’s a thing the consultations don’t actually define it - you watch any legislation will be broader than the consultation process suggested I bet D Don’t get me wrong, I intend to have my say ( just like I have when the banning of handguns and many other items of firearms related legislation was mooted ) but you can bet your bottom dollar it’s already a done deal. Even more reason to have your say and inform them of this very fact and many more besides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downforce Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Enjoyed that! It will fall on deaf ears no doubt, but my point was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 So how long is a long knife. Does this mean I will be carving the Sunday joint with a 3 inch penknife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downforce Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Just now, la bala said: So how long is a long knife. Does this mean I will be carving the Sunday joint with a 3 inch penknife. Well to some a 3” penknife might be considered too long so best get used to carving with a spoon 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, la bala said: So how long is a long knife. Does this mean I will be carving the Sunday joint with a 3 inch penknife. They have proposed various ‘minimums’, but it’s all irrelevant anyhow; there was a time the good old Stanley knife was a firm favourite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Downforce said: Well to some a 3” penknife might be considered too long so best get used to carving with a spoon 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downforce Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 It actually starts taking about 8” 10” and 12” blades - but it doesn’t (explicitly) say we will only consider banning knives over X” I wouldn’t be surprised if suddenly 5” blades are banned as they become the definition of a long knife Also note the case study doesn’t mention if the machete in question had the two characteristics discussed in conjunction with the ban (so would the machete meet the criteria in the constitution - can’t say for sure but don’t look like it! 3 minutes ago, Scully said: anyhow; there was a time the good old Stanley knife was a firm favourite Wasn’t it Stanley/box cutters used in the biggest single loss of life in 9/11 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, Scully said: They have proposed various ‘minimums’, but it’s all irrelevant anyhow; there was a time the good old Stanley knife was a firm favourite. Looks like I may have to do a tip run. I still have a couple of bowie types I forged years ago. Funny old world we now live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith 66 Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) Where does this leave the guy at the Kebab shop carving doner everynight? That is a legitimate use. As said the consultation questions are somewhat loaded towards the respondent agreeing with a ban but I just filled out the consultation & managed to say no to virtually everything while suggesting proper penalties should be applied to criminals! Edited June 4, 2023 by Keith 66 responded to consultation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 It’s blown any knighthoods unless they make a exemption for the king totally blown away any armed forces ceremonies that previously carried swords or bayonets olympic sport of fencing 🤔 Maybe they will issue them with rubber ones 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted June 5, 2023 Report Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) Responded, but suggested that they may be better addressing drug gang cultures that use these tools illegitimately as weapons, rather than targeting legitimate users. Also suggested legalising pepper spray as self defense option instead of illegally carrying a bladed article. From 2022 Gov statistics..... "The proportion of homicides that have involved drug users or dealers, or have been related to drugs in any way, has increased over the last decade, from 43% in the year ending March 2012 to 52% in the year ending March 2022." "Almost a third (32%) of victims were known to be drug users, and 15% were known to be drug dealers. These proportions were higher among suspects with 46% known to be drug users and 29% known to be drug dealers." Edited June 5, 2023 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted June 5, 2023 Report Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) Infuriatingly, either suggestion raised at Q3 (a) or (b) would make my cheese knife illegal..... Edited June 5, 2023 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downforce Posted June 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, PeterHenry said: Infuriatingly, either suggestion raised at Q3 (a) or (b) would make my cheese knife illegal..... The choice is limited! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted June 5, 2023 Report Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Downforce said: The choice is limited! I mean, it's not my favourite cheese knife - it's not even in the top two, but still.... I also pointed this out in my reply to the survey, although I didn't go into the fact it was my third favourite cheese knife.... Edited June 5, 2023 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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