Scully Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 What was I saying? ๐ค๐ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Scully said: What was I saying? ๐ค๐ Why - would you give up after round 1 ? Spent literally another 1 minute 12 seconds replying to the letterย ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, jall25 said: Why - would you give up after round 1 ? Spent literally another 1 minute 12 seconds replying to the letterย ย ย shawshank redemption comes to mind hereย itโs possible for one man to make a differenceย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Old farrier said: ย shawshank redemption comes to mind hereย itโs possible for one man to make a differenceย We just dont need to be one man though - thats all im sayingย ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 40 minutes ago, jall25 said: Why - would you give up after round 1 ? Spent literally another 1 minute 12 seconds replying to the letterย ย Yes, when the outcome is as predictable as I predicted! Itโs got nothing to do with shooting and everything to do with politics and a money making agenda for them and stakeholders, as I pointed out from the outset! They wonโt change their minds.ย You can spend 1 minute 12 seconds or 12 minutes and 1 second; the outcome will be the same.ย It has NOTHING TO DO WITH SHOOTING! ๐คทโโ๏ธ ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Scully said: Yes, when the outcome is as predictable as I predicted! Itโs got nothing to do with shooting and everything to do with politics and a money making agenda for them and stakeholders, as I pointed out from the outset! They wonโt change their minds.ย You can spend 1 minute 12 seconds or 12 minutes and 1 second; the outcome will be the same.ย It has NOTHING TO DO WITH SHOOTING! ๐คทโโ๏ธ ย Everything TO DO WITH SHOOTING AND CONSERVATIONย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 Thanks @jall25for all your efforts on this. That's the tenacity that would be great to see more of for this and all the other challenges current and new that we face. There are people reading this thread that are being inspired by your actions and updates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, jall25 said: Everything TO DO WITH SHOOTING AND CONSERVATIONย Oh please! Come on, youโre an intelligent bloke! Get a grip! It has nothing to do with shooting, or conservation! That land and its birds existed long before the invention of black powder, let alone driven game shooting, when somebody thoughtโฆ.โOhhhh! These are jolly fast birds! I bet we could charge a small fortune for shooting on this land!โย The birds will move elsewhere more suitable to their lifestyle, as will those involved in their upkeep, and UU will carry on regardless. THEY DONT CARE.ย I am fully aware of your frustration and commend your efforts, I really do, but they are efforts better spent elsewhere on those moors still tenable. UU couldnโt care less and they wonโt until you can offer them a bigger pay check and more long term offer than is currently the case. Grouse shooting on their land has served its purpose financially, but they now have a better offer.ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted July 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 On 27/07/2023 at 11:35, HantsRob said: Firstly, I'm all for conservation and protecting peoples rights and what not. But.... am I the only one thinking if it's their land, I am not sure what anyone can do to change this if they've given notice to stop shooting on their land? I am not sure how much sway anyone will have to legally enforce a change, when they own from what I understand is only a small piece of land? Is it really theirs though?ย Was it gifted to them from Public ownership when they took over from North West Water and Norweb, if it was it is highly dubious why it was and why they needed the Shooting rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorianbuilders Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 Sad times I had my first experiences of beating on the longdendale moors in the late 1980โs when all were still keepered in house by northwest water. I also had many years running dogs on these. Makes me feel sad for the future!๐ข Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Scully said: Oh please! Come on, youโre an intelligent bloke! Get a grip! It has nothing to do with shooting, or conservation! That land and its birds existed long before the invention of black powder, let alone driven game shooting, when somebody thoughtโฆ.โOhhhh! These are jolly fast birds! I bet we could charge a small fortune for shooting on this land!โย The birds will move elsewhere more suitable to their lifestyle, as will those involved in their upkeep, and UU will carry on regardless. THEY DONT CARE.ย I am fully aware of your frustration and commend your efforts, I really do, but they are efforts better spent elsewhere on those moors still tenable. UU couldnโt care less and they wonโt until you can offer them a bigger pay check and more long term offer than is currently the case. Grouse shooting on their land has served its purpose financially, but they now have a better offer.ย ย Indeed The head of Natwest bank didnt care 3 or 4 weeks agoย As i say - people move mountains Scully I do spend 99.9 percent of my efforts elsewhere - to me its crazy that as a community we dont all just stand together and send a letter or email or twoย But i think "our" debate on this has perhaps ran its course - as im sure many are bored of reading our differing opinionsย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 9 hours ago, jall25 said: ย Indeed The head of Natwest bank didnt care 3 or 4 weeks agoย As i say - people move mountains Scully I do spend 99.9 percent of my efforts elsewhere - to me its crazy that as a community we dont all just stand together and send a letter or email or twoย But i think "our" debate on this has perhaps ran its course - as im sure many are bored of reading our differing opinionsย Well if you want to go down that road, do you believe the two are comparable? Really? If youย can get the BBC to report on this on nationwide news, and all the msm onboard so this reaches the front pages of the tabloids, then find someone who claims the UU decision to not renew shooting leases was based upon the opinion the CEO or the UU board are xenophobic and racist ( although why that would be reason to reverse their decision about shooting grouse on their land, I wouldnโt know ย ) then the two cases might just be comparable and you may be onto a winner.ย Even if the board admitted they have banned shooting because they think killing birds for sport is abhorrent, what difference would that make? It is their land and they simply donโt care. They care about making money for the company and its stakeholders, some of whom for all we know enjoy a bit of grouse shooting themselves. Who knows?ย I agree; I too find it very frustrating when the shooting community doesnโt stand together, and weโre steadily losing the fight bit by bit by bit, but there are causes worth fighting and causes which are lost; this is the latter.ย Thatโs me done.ย ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Scully said: Well if you want to go down that road, do you believe the two are comparable? Really? If youย can get the BBC to report on this on nationwide news, and all the msm onboard so this reaches the front pages of the tabloids, then find someone who claims the UU decision to not renew shooting leases was based upon the opinion the CEO or the UU board are xenophobic and racist ( although why that would be reason to reverse their decision about shooting grouse on their land, I wouldnโt know ย ) then the two cases might just be comparable and you may be onto a winner.ย Even if the board admitted they have banned shooting because they think killing birds for sport is abhorrent, what difference would that make? It is their land and they simply donโt care. They care about making money for the company and its stakeholders, some of whom for all we know enjoy a bit of grouse shooting themselves. Who knows?ย I agree; I too find it very frustrating when the shooting community doesnโt stand together, and weโre steadily losing the fight bit by bit by bit, but there are causes worth fighting and causes which are lost; this is the latter.ย Thatโs me done.ย ย Goodย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 Give it a rest girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr grumpy Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 On 26/07/2023 at 14:21, jall25 said: ย Highlighting the potential loss of biodiversity with the loss of gamekeepers and shoot helpers The loss of expertise in fire management and associated equipment The loss of jobs and ways of life for many The fact that no science has been followed and an "agenda" hasย The impact on the local rural economy ย You are right.if we don't try,then how can we complain? It's always the same,the people who sit on their hands are always the ones to complain-to anybody except those who they should have. 23 hours ago, Scully said: Yes, when the outcome is as predictable as I predicted! Itโs got nothing to do with shooting and everything to do with politics and a money making agenda for them and stakeholders, as I pointed out from the outset! They wonโt change their minds.ย You can spend 1 minute 12 seconds or 12 minutes and 1 second; the outcome will be the same.ย It has NOTHING TO DO WITH SHOOTING! ๐คทโโ๏ธ ย It has a lot to do with shooting.ask the people who have lost their renewal on a lease.ask the people who go beating, shooting,run the local pub,b&b,petrol station etc. Or even ask a non shooting true naturalist,for they will know the benefits that shooting bringsย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 58 minutes ago, Mr grumpy said: ย It has a lot to do with shooting.ask the people who have lost their renewal on a lease.ask the people who go beating, shooting,run the local pub,b&b,petrol station etc. Or even ask a non shooting true naturalist,for they will know the benefits that shooting bringsย Give me strength!ย Iโm talking about the decision to not renew shooting leases having nothing to do with shooting! UU have obviously been perfectly happy to lease the shooting while it suited their needs, so it would seem they had no problem with shooting. It obviously doesnโt suit their needs or agenda any longer.ย ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 Brian May possibly a new estate owner ย now also if thereโs any truth in this:ย https://www.facebook.com/groups/92599588128/permalink/10159842682208129/ Now the reason for this probably really DOES have something to do with shooting. A land which will become full of all manner of predators and very little else; certainly no ground nesting birds anyhow! ๐ Didn't he once hire a deer stalker to stop the deer on his land ring barking all his trees?ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 8 hours ago, Scully said: Brian May possibly a new estate owner ย now also if thereโs any truth in this:ย https://www.facebook.com/groups/92599588128/permalink/10159842682208129/ Now the reason for this probably really DOES have something to do with shooting. A land which will become full of all manner of predators and very little else; certainly no ground nesting birds anyhow! ๐ Didn't he once hire a deer stalker to stop the deer on his land ring barking all his trees?ย ย Yes he did Scully and he was outed for it 23 i think they culled on his land ย Had another reply from UU toady - many of the same points but addressed to me this time Replied again and copied in their Chairman this time tooย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 (edited) I am away for the week with someone who is high up for UU, first thing he mentioned to me is that โthousands of your lot have been writing to my bossโ. Even if UU donโt reverse their ban on lease renewal we need to set an example of them, exposing their woke pandering as a warning to other land owners. ย Edited August 5, 2023 by WalkedUp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: I am away for the week with someone who is high up for UU, first thing he mentioned to me is that โthousands of your lot have been writing to my bossโ. Even if UU donโt reverse their ban on lease renewal we need to set an example of them, exposing their woke pandering as a warning to other land owners. ย Well that cant be a bad thing can itย We just never need to be rude - no matter how passionate we are = and we need to highlight the loss of wildlife and jobsย I have also highlighted that we are a minority community and should be supported as so many of the other minority communities areย ย ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 Exactly ๐ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 ๐ I write to them allย MPs Councils We must keep making the think and realise they are accountable for their actions Some may say i waste my time - but i do plenty in the day - and it only takes half an hour to do so Better than sat watching the TV in my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 4 hours ago, WalkedUp said: I am away for the week with someone who is high up for UU, first thing he mentioned to me is that โthousands of your lot have been writing to my bossโ. Even if UU donโt reverse their ban on lease renewal we need to set an example of them, exposing their woke pandering as a warning to other land owners. ย โNeed to set an example of themโ? What does that mean? A โwarningโ of what exactly?ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 49 minutes ago, Scully said: A โwarningโ of what exactly?ย Perhaps a warning that they cant do what they like with their own land, or the grouse shooters will write them letters, that go straight in the bin ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Perhaps a warning that they cant do what they like with their own land, or the grouse shooters will write them letters, that go straight in the bin ? Quite. If people feel they have to write, then at least it needs to bear some relevance and logic.ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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