Sweet11-87 Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 57 minutes ago, HantsRob said: I have professionally managed people who have had fairly serious mental health issues, and whilst generally their bad days are not life threatening, I can only say from experience that there's often a tipping point where they just want the pain to end. Not every health condition is the same, but a distorted reality or a desire for pain to end could mean tragedy of a horrific proportion. Likewise, I stand by my point that shooting could be someone's methadone. Completely objective, would I want someone who has a possibility to harm themselves or others to have access to firearms? Part of the seizure is to allow a slow time followup with medical experts, it is not a punishment but it is swift and is genuinely safeguarding. Should it be zero tollerance? That is a good debate, however always going to the weakest link, it probably makes sense to have it that way. I agree it will make people delay getting help, either to hide it or hope it goes away. But, I stand by my point that owning guns is a privilege, and those deciding to hide it and potentially gets worse can ultimately only hurt the shooting community as a whole. I have so much compassion for the OP and they are so brave for sharing their journey, but at what point do we protect the sport rather than an individual? There's no right answer as a blanket answer. Good reasonable debate. everything you say makes total sense but its relying on people being completely selfless while in a bad place. id bet most will delay seeking treatment and that the greater good of the community will factor into their worries very little. But clearly you have allot more experience in it than i have if youve worked with sufferers, ive already admitted my knowledge is limited to friends and people i know in my shooting community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 (edited) 5 hours ago, HantsRob said: I agree it will make people delay getting help, either to hide it or hope it goes away. But, I stand by my point that owning guns is a privilege, and those deciding to hide it and potentially gets worse can ultimately only hurt the shooting community as a whole. I have so much compassion for the OP and they are so brave for sharing their journey, but at what point do we protect the sport rather than an individual? There's no right answer as a blanket answer. Good reasonable debate. Without wishing to derail the theme of anxiety / depression, mental illness takes various forms. Dementia / Alzheimer’s to mention just two. I am aged 81 and hope I’m never blighted. But our arrangements are if I show signs and Mrs B has concerns/worries about my mental state she phones my friend I’ve known 30yrs aged 56 who has both SGC and FAC. He has keys to the house and cabinet (for when we’re away) and FEO is aware of this (discussed at last renewal). At an appropriate time (when I’m not around and to avoid confrontation) he just comes in and removes my guns until matters are clarified (also discussed at last renewal 2024). Safety first. Some may disagree with this but it’s my choice, my decision and Mrs B is reassured. Edited September 26 by Bobba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 I’ll try and keep this short. Over the age of 50 we all come to realise there are certain triggers to set yourself up for a good day or a bad day. Good day and you’re ready to tackle the world and take on every challenge, bad day struggle to get out of bed and everything is hard and overwhelming. My uncomplicated list for a good day: 1. Sleep is top of the list. Unbroken sleep. 2. Water, vitamins and taking it easy on the grog 3. a good poo 4. fresh air and a walk round the block everyday 5. sunlight 6. No caffeine after midday My big one was sleep. Did a sleep apnea test and it turned out most of the night I was stopping breathing. Got a machine and it’s revolutionary - cut my BP in half too (which was an interesting side effect). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 3 hours ago, Mungler said: I’ll try and keep this short. Over the age of 50 we all come to realise there are certain triggers to set yourself up for a good day or a bad day. Good day and you’re ready to tackle the world and take on every challenge, bad day struggle to get out of bed and everything is hard and overwhelming. My uncomplicated list for a good day: 1. Sleep is top of the list. Unbroken sleep. 2. Water, vitamins and taking it easy on the grog 3. a good poo 4. fresh air and a walk round the block everyday 5. sunlight 6. No caffeine after midday My big one was sleep. Did a sleep apnea test and it turned out most of the night I was stopping breathing. Got a machine and it’s revolutionary - cut my BP in half too (which was an interesting side effect). That nails it for me, but walk much further than round the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 3 hours ago, Mungler said: I’ll try and keep this short. Over the age of 50 we all come to realise there are certain triggers to set yourself up for a good day or a bad day. Good day and you’re ready to tackle the world and take on every challenge, bad day struggle to get out of bed and everything is hard and overwhelming. My uncomplicated list for a good day: 1. Sleep is top of the list. Unbroken sleep. 2. Water, vitamins and taking it easy on the grog 3. a good poo 4. fresh air and a walk round the block everyday 5. sunlight 6. No caffeine after midday My big one was sleep. Did a sleep apnea test and it turned out most of the night I was stopping breathing. Got a machine and it’s revolutionary - cut my BP in half too (which was an interesting side effect). Whilst I'm only a few months away from the ripe old age of 40 I can definitely see the benefits of a good sleep and a good Brad Pitt to set me up for a good day. I'm considering a Vitamin D supplement to see if it helps this winter. I'm up for work at 5:30am and if I work late there are days I don't see much natural light at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 Vitamin D and an iron supplement are all I would add to Mungs list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 4 hours ago, Rob85 said: I'm considering a Vitamin D supplement to see if it helps this winter. I'm up for work at 5:30am and if I work late there are days I don't see much natural light at all! It did for me under similar conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 If you are having problems then having to (possibly) give up shooting is a lot better option than trying to tough it out without help and have the whole word fall down around your ears . They will take your guns then anyway. Depression is not something to take lightly. I have seen it in my family. Get help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fil Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 (edited) On 25/09/2024 at 09:35, Wombatfeatures said: I believe I can arrange an RFD to collect and sell the guns for me as they're still my guns? Yes. The police will encourage you to have them collected otherwise they usually threaten to destroy them if left to long in their arsenal. If you tell them your intentions they will work with you. I've collected many, many guns from police stations and they aren't a bad bunch. They just don't like people burying there heads in the sand over the matter. Best of luck in your future and it's nice to see some caring advice and support on a forum. There's some good people on here. Edited October 18 by Fil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 I agree Fil, everybody has tried to be very helpful and positive good luck WF, i hope things work out for you. Cheers. Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriskent Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 At the end of the day, your life and health is more important !!!!!! iv suffered anxiety and depression on and off since I was 14 (38 now) I have had a SGC and FAC. For donkeys years. I have always declared my mental health with firearms and never had a problem. just remember A LOT of people suffer from mental health problems ! Especially in this day and age ! FEO’s are actually pretty sympathetic and are now trained in mental health matters. get yourself healthy and re apply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombatfeatures Posted October 21 Author Report Share Posted October 21 Thanks for the (largely!) kind words & thoughts, one and all. I've heard very little from the police (including the lads who actually collected my guns, who promised immediate emails with photos, receipts etc. when they got back to the station - not a word, of course). Apparently I'll be contacted by the Inspector in due course, but they have no idea when that will be. As for me, I'm feeling a little better generally. Moral of the story is, if your MH feels a bit sketchy do something about it sooner rather than later. Possibly sell your guns before talking to the docs. And if your guns are confiscated, get the officers' badge numbers and take pics, don't believe what they tell you just to get you to hand them over. Does anyone know, if I get over this and go back to them and say I'm happier, having therapy, off medication and the GP verifies this, will I get my guns back? Or would I have to reapply from scratch at some point in the future? (Given that I did the right thing, and so on). Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 22 minutes ago, Wombatfeatures said: Does anyone know, if I get over this and go back to them and say I'm happier, having therapy, off medication and the GP verifies this, will I get my guns back? Or would I have to reapply from scratch at some point in the future? (Given that I did the right thing, and so on). Whatever happens you have done the right thing and your helpful observations about how it should have been done will be useful to others. I do hope your improvement continues and that you get the guns and your ticket back. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombatfeatures Posted October 21 Author Report Share Posted October 21 Cheers TC, appreciated 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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