Gordon R Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 Quote Nobody will do time or face charges for this 🤦🏻♂️ I can't see how they will avoid charges. At the trial of the Postmasters, the Post Office prosecutors were obliged to give full disclosure to the defence. This didn't happen. Perverting the course of justice. It's just a question of by whom and how widespread the cover up was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 It's so obvious she is not taking responsibility and attempting to pass the blame onto others, especially when she said she "wasn't responsible for everything beneath her", or words to that effect. I'm sorry, but if you are the most superior employee over other employees, you ARE responsible for EVERYTHING that goes on, even if they don't inform you. It is your responsibility to know everything that's going on, so her stating that it's not, is showing naivety at the very least. I think that she thinks that pleading ignorance and playing the sympathy card exonerates her 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 I really hope that an awful lot of supposedly people of good standing in some very well paid jobs are having trouble sleeping at night. I also hope that there is quite a bit of jail time and heavy fines imposed and that some professional people are struck off the gravy train. A shocking episode in this country's history, heads should roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: I really hope that an awful lot of supposedly people of good standing in some very well paid jobs are having trouble sleeping at night. I also hope that there is quite a bit of jail time and heavy fines imposed and that some professional people are struck off the gravy train. A shocking episode in this country's history, heads should roll. Us mere mortals can only hope 😏 And yes, shocking at almost the highest level [blood scandal 🤬] !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 She is a prime example of the "Peter Principle". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 4 minutes ago, amateur said: She is a prime example of the "Peter Principle". I've never heard of that, so googled it. Well pointed out 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 1 minute ago, JKD said: I've never heard of that, so googled it. Well pointed out 👍 Upon reflection, probably more an exemplar of the "Dilbert Principle". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 1 minute ago, amateur said: Upon reflection, probably more an exemplar of the "Dilbert Principle". 👍🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 I think Vennells, other top executives and investigators are hoping to get away with being classed as merely incompetent and over promoted. I think the reality is that there appears to be a conspiracy to avoid disclosing to the defence teams that there were Horizon flaws. When a postmaster's case was heading for trial, the Post Office are legally bound to disclose all evidence, including material that might harm the prosecution. It would seem that this was withheld and not even stashed away in "unused". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: I think Vennells, other top executives and investigators are hoping to get away with being classed as merely incompetent and over promoted. I think the reality is that there appears to be a conspiracy to avoid disclosing to the defence teams that there were Horizon flaws. When a postmaster's case was heading for trial, the Post Office are legally bound to disclose all evidence, including material that might harm the prosecution. It would seem that this was withheld and not even stashed away in "unused". Professional incompetence doesn’t exclude the capability to dissemble and cover up. In fact it's a common trait of this kind of idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 Police are recruiting 80 staff to work on investigating Post Office staff. Perjury, perverting the course of justice have been mooted, but there must be "conspiracy" in there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 On 24/05/2024 at 11:25, Gordon R said: If the top jockeys at the Post Office knew and actually discussed how to supress the evidence (which should have been coughed up at disclosure), then they are looking at conspiracy too. For that to happen maybe we need investigators and prosecutors worth their wages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 The Police will do a proper job compared to the muppets in the Post Office Investigations Branch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 30 Report Share Posted May 30 On 25/05/2024 at 11:11, amateur said: She is a prime example of the "Peter Principle". It's an absolute certainty that in a big organisation like the Post Office she couldn't have risen up through the ranks the way she did without having a very tough side to her nature. In all big organisations like that the office politics would be dog eat dog every step of the way. You can't take what she says now as being anything like what really happened. She is just trying to deflect the blame hoping others will carry the can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted May 30 Report Share Posted May 30 36 minutes ago, Vince Green said: She is just trying to deflect the blame hoping others will carry the can Like all civil (so called) servants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 30 Report Share Posted May 30 40 minutes ago, Vince Green said: It's an absolute certainty that in a big organisation like the Post Office she couldn't have risen up through the ranks the way she did without having a very tough side to her nature. In all big organisations like that the office politics would be dog eat dog every step of the way. That is certainly very much the case, though some additional help up the greasy pole can come from various targets wanting more 'under-represented sections' of society round the boardroom tables. Ticking the right box can sometimes take precedence over outright ability sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted May 30 Report Share Posted May 30 Hi I concur with JKD re his comment 'Ticking the right box can sometimes take precedence over outright ability sadly'. At my 'coal-face' there are many that just don't want to do anything, and just as many that can spout the policies/smoke in the sky ideas and rise to esoteric heights, but can't do a basic observation of the facts on the ground (Google used to avoid site visits!) let alone marking/setting out on site - upto Assist Director. Very happy to pass the buck and say 'You sign it off...'. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted May 30 Report Share Posted May 30 @Loki I think you meant the quote from JohnfromUK 🤓😆 I don't understand how she thinks she can just wriggle her way out of this mire, by obviously lying, fake crying and basically saying "it wasn't me" ,,,, a bit like blaming the dog for the awful smell in the room 😷🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 30 Report Share Posted May 30 On 29/05/2024 at 11:32, Gordon R said: Police are recruiting 80 staff to work on investigating Post Office staff. Perjury, perverting the course of justice have been mooted, but there must be "conspiracy" in there too. The problem will be achieving evidence to the high level required to go to court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 30 Report Share Posted May 30 Not sure about that Vince. The Post Office were legally bound to pass over the information. Everyone who had access to the outside company's report will have to be interviewed and it will have to be established just who it was sent to and who decided not to action it. Anyone in the legal department would obviously know the law on disclosure and will not want to carry the can for failure to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 30 Report Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: Not sure about that Vince. The Post Office were legally bound to pass over the information. Everyone who had access to the outside company's report will have to be interviewed and it will have to be established just who it was sent to and who decided not to action it. Anyone in the legal department would obviously know the law on disclosure and will not want to carry the can for failure to do so. Yes somebody will be dragged screaming to the scaffold but whether or not it will be the people who really deserve to be punished. Or will it be just some token sacrificial lambs to make it look like justice has been done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 One of the Post Office prosecution team has just admitted deleting criticism of the Horizon system from prosecution statements, because it might look bad in court. He has been advised that he might be facing difficulty, but said he couldn't see it was wrong. He has been either badly advised or he is just stupid. Failing to disclose material facts, because it didn't suit him, is a criminal offence. I trust someone has now acquainted him with perverting the course of justice. I suspect he will find himself in serious discussions about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 Great news for Sir Alan. What a nice gesture from Branson. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gqd7zrxqno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 I have little time for Branson, but have to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 Seems to have gone quiet again, familiar tactic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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