oowee Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 3 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I agree with your sentiments entirely. But I think what people are pointing out is a double standard and that all the party's should be held to the same standard. Both via parliamentary rules and the media. At the moment, the current scandal is either a huge coincidence, or is a stitch up. This is the world of the free press. Look at the stuff written about Corbyn. I would love the parties to be held to the same standard but time and again we have seen the Tories trash the standards. Labour has some strong proposals to tackle corruption and enforce standards in public life through an integrity and ethics Committee. It must be a very welcome change to hold mp's to account. This coupled with devolution steps for England will increase accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 Just now, oowee said: Labour has some strong proposals to tackle corruption and enforce standards in public life through an integrity and ethics Committee. Tip of the iceberg probably.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 25 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: There's always going to be a closet racist in any party, but if they can't keep it out of the core of the party I absolutely agree. I believe it's a fair part of the reason farage eventually abandoned UKIP. I tend to agree 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I tend to agree 👍 So does that make reform centre and the rest left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 5 minutes ago, sportsbob said: So does that make reform centre and the rest left. No, it doesn’t. Delighted to be able to clear that one up for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 48 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Tip of the iceberg probably.. Looks like they are getting on with it. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 53 minutes ago, oowee said: Looks like they are getting on with it. 👍 Only when they get caught by police or media, labour tend to remove support only when they're in the G4S van on the way to jail . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: Only when they get caught by police or media, labour tend to remove support only when they're in the G4S van on the way to jail . At least they get rid. Corrupt tories get promoted. Let's relight that optimism. Edited June 29 by oowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 5 hours ago, sportsbob said: So does that make reform centre and the rest left. Probably on some issues, I'd actually say their stance on how to deal with illegal migration is alot closer to the average man on the streets thinking than any other party. Think of it this way, if labour or conservative government was offering what reform were, reform wouldn't exist. There's a reason they've become so popular over night and unless the other party's offer something closer to reform, they're likely to grow until they become the dominant, mainstream, centralist party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 12 gauge 12 could not agree with you more. The failure to ask grassroots citizens what they want has been lacking in politics for a very long time. This is why the Cons. were shocked at Brexit they did not think we could think for ourselves and nor did the civil servants and ministers in charge who failed to carry out the result. Farage talks straight that is why he is popular much to the anger of the main parties who will try and disrupt his party from entering the Commons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 12 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Probably on some issues, I'd actually say their stance on how to deal with illegal migration is alot closer to the average man on the streets thinking than any other party. Think of it this way, if labour or conservative government was offering what reform were, reform wouldn't exist. There's a reason they've become so popular over night and unless the other party's offer something closer to reform, they're likely to grow until they become the dominant, mainstream, centralist party. This is the absolute nub of it. If you don’t want popularism then as a government you have to listen to the people and start implementing the will of the people. The comments of Farage and Tommy Robinson on a host of topics but let’s pick immigration for example, haven’t changed in 20 years but in those 20 years the world has moved on and now what was deemed racist or far right 20 years ago is being openly discussed and put forward in similar terms. There is now an accepted consensus that we can’t sustain, support or afford 1,000,000 net migrants and that this level of uncontrolled / unintegrated impact on the existing population is less than desirable. And of course we’ve had Ireland, Sweden, France and Germany to watch. The problem is, however, the topic of immigration (for example) in Westminster and the homes of the chattering white middle class graduate types, is considered ‘low status’ unless it follows the globalist open door / world traveller outlook and becomes high status. I still remember Gordon Brown instantly dismissing out of hand and as racist that lady’s views. The likes of Reform however are going out, talking to, meeting and listening to that lady and a whole lot of people like her who have the same valid concerns. And that ladies and gentleman is how we are where we are. Career politicians of any party are a curse on the society they purport to represent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 The unelected elite of the EU seem to think that inviting all the world into Europe is a good thing Pity they do not come down to grassroots level and see the damage inflicted by the non integration as in culture language and religious trends trying to overpower our society Where are the jobs the doctors the houses schools we will end up going bust trying to cater fopr all these extra mouths whilst neglecting our own mouths who supply the funds Brown was far too dismissive of the truth he knew she was right but in true Labour stance he wanted immigration to keep wages low and gain votes in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 "Unelected elite of the EU". You do know that elections to the European Parliament took place earlier this month ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 5 minutes ago, Pushandpull said: "Unelected elite of the EU". You do know that elections to the European Parliament took place earlier this month ? Who are virtually powerless in the grand schemes of the EU. A thin veil of pseudo democracy to placate the masses that it's all above board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 To answer your remark MEP elections took place Ursula vanderlayen is unelected President of the EU commission which holds great power the ministers Kinnock etc are appointed not elected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 Sorry for interrupting this discourse with the odd fact. You guys carry on in your world run by the lizards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 I wonder how Farage is getting on at the NEC rally today ...what sort of turnout ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 27 minutes ago, ditchman said: I wonder how Farage is getting on at the NEC rally today ...what sort of turnout ? Must be doing quite well, there's not a sniff of it in MSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 2 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Must be doing quite well, there's not a sniff of it in MSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, ditchman said: I wonder how Farage is getting on at the NEC rally today ...what sort of turnout ? watched some of it on GB NEWS and it's a full house (they reckon 5k in audience) and he's coming across as he usually does👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.357shooter Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 so the idiots can not decide between cons or labour what do you not get either will lie and rob you of your hard earned and import millions more immigrants that you do not want.we need somebody different no matter who because they can not do a worse job than the big two who since ww2 have destroyed our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, .357shooter said: so the idiots can not decide between cons or labour what do you not get either will lie and rob you of your hard earned and import millions more immigrants that you do not want.we need somebody different no matter who because they can not do a worse job than the big two who since ww2 have destroyed our country. 🤣 get a grip. Farage Has no plan to deal with the small boats. To deal with the boats you have to process them. When Farage throws his hat in the ring with Trump, Le Penn and Putin the number of migrants will dwarf anything we have seen to date. Not that they will be a problem as Taiwan will be next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 (edited) Can’t wait for Le Penn. All the Euro luvvy bed wetters will lose their heads. Alas, as Europe lunges right we lurch left. As for Reform not having a plan - like it could be any worse than right now or labour’s non-existent plan / top secret plan they won’t tell us about. Turning the small boats back may be wishful, but even if Reform stopped border force, the RNLI etc dragging everything bigger than a lilo over and to shore as soon as it’s 5 feet off the French coast that has to be an improvement. Edited June 30 by Mungler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 9 hours ago, Pushandpull said: "Unelected elite of the EU". You do know that elections to the European Parliament took place earlier this month ? The elected representatives of countys that forms the EU council can't make or get rid of laws, they can only vote on the proposals made by the Unelected commission. It's all about as democratic as the democratic Republic of Congo. 2 hours ago, oowee said: 🤣 get a grip. Farage Has no plan to deal with the small boats. To deal with the boats you have to process them. When Farage throws his hat in the ring with Trump, Le Penn and Putin the number of migrants will dwarf anything we have seen to date. Not that they will be a problem as Taiwan will be next. Disagree there mate, he will do exactly as the Australians did and it's already been proven, it's simple and will work very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 30 minutes ago, Mungler said: Can’t wait for Le Penn. All the Euro luvvy bed wetters will lose their heads. Alas, as Europe lunges right we lurch left. As for Reform not having a plan - like it could be any worse than right now or labour’s non-existent plan / top secret plan they won’t tell us about. Turning the small boats back may be wishful, but even if Reform stopped border force, the RNLI etc dragging everything bigger than a lilo over and to shore as soon as it’s 5 feet off the French coast that has to be an improvement. is Le Penn anti EU ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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