Blair 2.0

[oowee]

5 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

 

On the second point of EU relations, let's not beat about the bush or pretend he wants anything other than to rejoin the UK under full EU membership, whatever the cost. 

I think Starmer knows there are more ways than 1 to skin a cat. Immediately the response from the EU has been positive.

Blair is bang on when he speaks of the need for trade bloc's. Labour need to find a way without joining. 

We won't solve trade and migration issues (or many others) without a foundation of understanding. The UK must make itself relevant. 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

I think Starmer knows there are more ways than 1 to skin a cat. Immediately the response from the EU has been positive.

Blair is bang on when he speaks of the need for trade bloc's. Labour need to find a way without joining. 

We won't solve trade and migration issues (or many others) without a foundation of understanding. The UK must make itself relevant. 

We tried joining a trade block and it turned into something far different. 

ever closer union (a communist style super state)

A single currency (a failing one that wrecked countries in the med) 

Freedom of movement (a illegal immigration problem the likes of which have never before been seen) 

Blair is vile, utterly arrogant, believes he knows best, a total disregard for democracy, a liar and war criminal. He should live out his days in a remote cave in shame. How he has the cheek to rear his head after what he did to this country is beyond me. I honestly wonder if he's a psychopath. 

[Miserableolgit]

I was listening to the Today programme on Radio 4 while I was having a soak in the tub this morning. I think they devoted approx 20 mins or so to an interview with the man himself during which he was his usual self assured and somewhat smug self. Mention was made of the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change that apparently employs 800 staff, advises foreign governments and 'advises political leaders to drive change'....

 https://www.institute.global

Coming to a cinema near you, Sir TB as Christopher Lee as Dracula...

[ditchman]

my skin starts to crawl when i see his picture

[ditchman]

the word on the street is that Starmer is going to bring in David Milliband and Mandelson.............

ahhh the good old days..

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 hours ago, ditchman said:

the word on the street is that Starmer is going to bring in David Milliband and Mandelson.............

ahhh the POOR old days..

Amended that for you..............

[udderlyoffroad]

14 hours ago, Miserableolgit said:

I was listening to the Today programme on Radio 4 while I was having a soak in the tub this morning.

Why would you do that to yourself? 🤣

15 hours ago, Miserableolgit said:

Mention was made of the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change that apparently employs 800 staff, advises foreign governments and 'advises political leaders to drive change'....

And some if its employees are now in the cabinet (e.g. Jacqui Smith). 

This pet theory some people have of him wanting to be 'EU President' - why?  Let failed German or Belgian politicians fill the role of that particular lightening rod.  He has 'his people' in the cabinet now.

 

17 hours ago, oowee said:

Blair is bang on when he speaks of the need for trade bloc's.

Actual trading blocs though, not protectionist undemocratic rackets like the EU.

 

17 hours ago, oowee said:

Labour need to find a way without joining.

They will make us follow single market rules for goods and services supplied internally, and not just externally, AKA Regulatory Alignment.  So basically Brexit may as well never have happened, only we don't get pet passports and have to join a different queue when we enter Schengen.

 

[Rewulf]

15 hours ago, Miserableolgit said:

Mention was made of the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change that apparently employs 800 staff, advises foreign governments and 'advises political leaders to drive change'....

I bet no one asked who pays for all this ?

[Pushandpull]

I hold no brief for Jacqui Smith, but can find no record of her working for the Tony Blair Institute. Nor, I assume, as a junior minister, would she be attending cabinet ?

[oowee]

31 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Why would you do that to yourself? 🤣

And some if its employees are now in the cabinet (e.g. Jacqui Smith). 

This pet theory some people have of him wanting to be 'EU President' - why?  Let failed German or Belgian politicians fill the role of that particular lightening rod.  He has 'his people' in the cabinet now.

 

Actual trading blocs though, not protectionist undemocratic rackets like the EU.

 

They will make us follow single market rules for goods and services supplied internally, and not just externally, AKA Regulatory Alignment.  So basically Brexit may as well never have happened, only we don't get pet passports and have to join a different queue when we enter Schengen.

 

I dont know how they will do it but we certainly need it. No point being in a hole and still digging.

Pet pass ports 😁 I don't need one for my dog, it's only here that we have restrictions. 

[Miserableolgit]

59 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Why would you do that to yourself? 🤣

I wonder the same now but as the radio is on the cabinet shelf on the other side of the bathroom and as the programme was Blair free when I committed to the bathwater. So involved was I in the necessary soapy ablutions that they took priority over climbing out the tub just to retune the wireless 😁

[Penelope]

16 minutes ago, Miserableolgit said:

I wonder the same now but as the radio is on the cabinet shelf on the other side of the bathroom and as the programme was Blair free when I committed to the bathwater. So involved was I in the necessary soapy ablutions that they took priority over climbing out the tub just to retune the wireless 😁

I think he meant Radio 4 period, as opposed to Bliar.

[Miserableolgit]

2 hours ago, Penelope said:

I think he meant Radio 4 period, as opposed to Bliar.

I'd give the same answer.

[ditchman]

Blair and his cronies are eating their way into to labour carcass.....something which is un-nerving me is the 100's of millions of $dollars he is getting from his mates for his foundation........ie ....A.I.....and health data services....

HHHmmmmmmmmmm

only the other day he was advorcating for the increased funding of AI programms agreed by Starmer et al......

i think the closness of the old filching snout troughers...might be the downfall of this labour govt......

[Raja Clavata]

13 hours ago, ditchman said:

Blair and his cronies are eating their way into to labour carcass.....something which is un-nerving me is the 100's of millions of $dollars he is getting from his mates for his foundation........ie ....A.I.....and health data services....

HHHmmmmmmmmmm

only the other day he was advorcating for the increased funding of AI programms agreed by Starmer et al......

i think the closness of the old filching snout troughers...might be the downfall of this labour govt......

You have an issue with AI?

I was just about to start a generative AI thread, holding fire for now…

[ditchman]

3 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

You have an issue with AI?

I was just about to start a generative AI thread, holding fire for now…

i have a BIG ISSUE WITH A.I.........proberly unfounded.....i feel very uncomfortable about it

dont ask me to explain

[Raja Clavata]

1 minute ago, ditchman said:

i have a BIG ISSUE WITH A.I.........proberly unfounded.....i feel very uncomfortable about it

dont ask me to explain

Fear not, I’ll ask our LLM and revert 😂😝

[Raja Clavata]

I just posed this to one of the AI apps on my phone.

Why would a normal member of the public fear AI. Which fears are rational? Which fears are unjustified. What can you tell them to alleviate such fears?
 

Response below.

As an AI assistant, I can provide some insights into why some members of the public may fear AI, as well as differentiate between rational and unjustified fears. It's important to note that individual perspectives may vary, and not all fears are the same for everyone. Here are a few common concerns:

1. Job displacement: Some people fear that AI and automation may lead to job losses and unemployment. While it's true that AI can automate certain tasks, it also creates new opportunities and can enhance human productivity.

2. Privacy and security: The increasing use of AI technologies raises concerns about data privacy and security. People worry that their personal information might be misused or fall into the wrong hands. It's crucial to address these concerns by advocating for robust privacy measures and transparent data practices.

3. Bias and discrimination: AI systems can inherit biases from the data they are trained on, leading to potential discrimination or unfair treatment. Addressing this fear involves ensuring unbiased data collection, diverse development teams, and rigorous testing to mitigate bias.

4. Autonomous decision-making: Concerns arise when AI systems make decisions without human intervention. People worry about the lack of accountability and potential for errors or malicious intent. To alleviate these fears, it's important to emphasize the need for human oversight and ethical guidelines in AI development.

5. Loss of control: Some individuals fear that AI may become too powerful or uncontrollable, leading to negative consequences. It's important to emphasize that AI is designed to augment human capabilities and should be developed with strong ethical frameworks and regulations in place.

To alleviate these fears, it is important to promote transparency, education, and open dialogue about AI. Highlighting the potential benefits that AI can bring, such as improved efficiency, medical advancements, and enhanced decision-making, can help counterbalance the fears. Additionally, emphasizing the importance of responsible AI development, ethical considerations, and regulatory measures can help build trust and alleviate concerns among the public.

[ditchman]

how do the PW forumites feel about Sue Gray........i think she is a nasty piece of work....we will see alot more of her poisonous work in the near future.........

and the worrying thing is there are alot more like her in the civil service..

[Yellow Bear]

20 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I just posed this to one of the AI apps on my phone.

Why would a normal member of the public fear AI. Which fears are rational? Which fears are unjustified. What can you tell them to alleviate such fears?
 

Response below.

As an AI assistant, I can provide some insights into why some members of the public may fear AI, as well as differentiate between rational and unjustified fears. It's important to note that individual perspectives may vary, and not all fears are the same for everyone. Here are a few common concerns:

1. Job displacement: Some people fear that AI and automation may lead to job losses and unemployment. While it's true that AI can automate certain tasks, it also creates new opportunities and can enhance human productivity.

2. Privacy and security: The increasing use of AI technologies raises concerns about data privacy and security. People worry that their personal information might be misused or fall into the wrong hands. It's crucial to address these concerns by advocating for robust privacy measures and transparent data practices.

3. Bias and discrimination: AI systems can inherit biases from the data they are trained on, leading to potential discrimination or unfair treatment. Addressing this fear involves ensuring unbiased data collection, diverse development teams, and rigorous testing to mitigate bias.

4. Autonomous decision-making: Concerns arise when AI systems make decisions without human intervention. People worry about the lack of accountability and potential for errors or malicious intent. To alleviate these fears, it's important to emphasize the need for human oversight and ethical guidelines in AI development.

5. Loss of control: Some individuals fear that AI may become too powerful or uncontrollable, leading to negative consequences. It's important to emphasize that AI is designed to augment human capabilities and should be developed with strong ethical frameworks and regulations in place.

To alleviate these fears, it is important to promote transparency, education, and open dialogue about AI. Highlighting the potential benefits that AI can bring, such as improved efficiency, medical advancements, and enhanced decision-making, can help counterbalance the fears. Additionally, emphasizing the importance of responsible AI development, ethical considerations, and regulatory measures can help build trust and alleviate concerns among the public.

One question that immediately springs to mind  "who decides what is ethical?" 

[oowee]

3 minutes ago, ditchman said:

how do the PW forumites feel about Sue Gray........i think she is a nasty piece of work....we will see alot more of her poisonous work in the near future.........

and the worrying thing is there are alot more like her in the civil service..

Why do you think that? 

If you have seen the list of bills posted by labour today you will have been impressed by the volume of work it represents. Much of the stuff most (even here) would agree with. Sue Gray will have been instrumental in pulling that together. It's an astonishing piece of work. 

[Raja Clavata]

3 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

One question that immediately springs to mind  "who decides what is ethical?" 

That one’s simple. Humans, not the machines. Or were you referring to specific whos?

The ethics is a very relevant point. Ethics, trust and public acceptance of AI all go hand in hand.

I was very surprised to hear, and partially understand, that ethics associated with AI applied to smart weapons is even a thing - at least for NATO. There is, or at least was, a professor at Belfast university who specialises on this topic. 

[ditchman]

On 15/07/2024 at 08:00, Raja Clavata said:

You have an issue with AI?

I was just about to start a generative AI thread, holding fire for now…

my worry about A.I. is 

1. who will use it
2. who will control it
3. who will set the parameters

im not talking about manufacting...im talking about policing the internet and gleaning information......open forums like this will be dead....cause they will be monitored along with the peodorings on the dark web.....which AI could be used to bring them down....which is a good use of AI as it is almost impossible for humans to move thro cyber space with speed....a machine needs to police a machine.....

but its all the other infomation that will be gleaned about ordinary compliant people...that can be easily controllled

there is nothing anyone can say to me thatwill aliviate my fear........it is going to happen..it cant be stopped

[oowee]

Its already alive for much of what we do. I only have to think of something and I get an advert for one face. 

[Raja Clavata]

It’s already being used for lots of things. Drug discovery and development are one of the success stories, saving billions. Of course for every good use case there’s likely at least one mis-use case.

AI is such a broad topic. Not much to really fear of current AI but the real race is around general AI, that’s when it gets scary.

There’s some great east reading books about it, most of the ones that are well known focus on the dark side.

General AI is coming, the when and to what extent is the question.

Now, this may be controversial, but I’d almost equate general AI realisation to a singularity event akin to the human creation of a “God” like entity which is “all powerful” and all knowing. “” used to highlight that the power needs to be disconnected from direct control of anything that can be misused. But then the question of what constitutes misuse comes into play.

I’m by no means an expert, hoped to have retired before GenAI broke into mainstream. Hope to be out before quantum. For now am forced to embrace GenAI as clients already demand ~30% price reductions even if the solutions are mostly not yet industrialised.

I haven’t answered your questions but would suggest don’t worry since we have no control over what happens after the GAI singularity since the outcomes very much depends on who gets there first.

Edited July 17 by Raja Clavata