Rewulf Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 18 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: but I know a fair bit more than I'm posting here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 One word ‘Skynet’. My top tip, stick a large lump of your pension investment into any companies that are involved in the drone supply / manufacture chain - it’s going to be the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 21 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Haha. That looks like a scene from Evil Elvis' outbuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: I think the 'can we' is established. The 'should we' ? All it takes is a suitably created 'enemy' and it will be deployed 'for the greater good' I meant more in general terms; we invent things because we can not because we should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Penelope said: I meant more in general terms; we invent things because we can not because we should. Man is never more clever or industrious, as when he is devising ways to kill one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Not 100% sure about present day warfare but there seems to be problems with systems no matter what we use to attack and defend. Back in 82 there were problems with short and long range S2A/S2S missiles and early warning systems but short range, manned weapons and early warning of aircraft take offs via special forces on the ground worked well. A friend has just started his training as a member of a drone team and is enjoying it but he can't say much about it ATM but it appears that they aren't infallible by any means but that is in a non combat situation, I'm sure that in combat situations things will advance quickly out of necessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 16 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Man is never more clever or industrious, as when he is devising ways to kill one another. I agree in general but I’m not sure that’s the case for drones. Once you get into commercial use cases, it’s not much of a stretch to envisage the art of the possible of “mis-use cases”. I also agree there is a tendency to create solutions to problems that don’t exist and then identify the problem and try to make it fit. Again I don’t think that applies to drones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 A.I assisted is all very well, until someone takes out the A.I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 8 hours ago, Penelope said: I wonder if that's the one that I nearly took out of the sky with a 22miller and throwing stick, whilst spying on me. North met pit ? Although he does his own thing don’t need to spy on people 🤣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 22 hours ago, enfieldspares said: No. Not radar but Mark 1 Eyeball! Still reacts quicker than even the latest radar technology. The Mark 1 Eyeball can't see through a cloud, the dark or a hill. Nor the Mark 7 for that matter. Believe me, I tried it for 42 years of my working life. Radar and passive sensors are much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 12 hours ago, B686 said: North met pit ? Although he does his own thing don’t need to spy on people 🤣. No, a couple up the valley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 17 hours ago, islandgun said: A.I assisted is all very well, until someone takes out the A.I In a nutshell, all OK till kimchangvlad kills the Internet communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, old man said: In a nutshell, all OK till kimchangvlad kills the Internet communications Exactly.. all drone flights are cancelled for the rest of the day....and the foreseeable future.😉 Edited July 30 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 16 minutes ago, islandgun said: Exactly.. all drone flights are cancelled for the rest of the day....and the foreseeable future The idea of autonomous drones is they don't need the Internet, or a data link, or even GPS in some cases. This kind of technology is already in use by both sides in Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: The idea of autonomous drones is they don't need the Internet, or a data link, or even GPS in some cases. This kind of technology is already in use by both sides in Ukraine. Ah thats alright then..🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 30 Author Report Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: The idea of autonomous drones is they don't need the Internet, or a data link, or even GPS in some cases. This kind of technology is already in use by both sides in Ukraine. that what i was saying earlier on.....the drone tech' is moving so quick....what will it be like in a year/2 years time......as soon as something is invented for the drone,,by the time it goes into production its out of date......... i really do think in the near future the RAF will just operate transport planes and transport for air delivery drones....... this drone thing is like computors in the early days....things are moving soooo quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 5 minutes ago, ditchman said: that what i was saying earlier on.....the drone tech' is moving so quick....what will it be like in a year/2 years time......as soon as something is invented for the drone,,by the time it goes into production its out of date......... i really do think in the near future the RAF will just operate transport planes and transport for air delivery drones....... this drone thing is like computors in the early days....things are moving soooo quick If you want to get rid of pilots as surplus to requirements, the first obstacle you'll hit is the fact that the vast majority of the most senior ranks - the decision makers - are...... have a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 30 Author Report Share Posted July 30 6 minutes ago, wymberley said: If you want to get rid of pilots as surplus to requirements, the first obstacle you'll hit is the fact that the vast majority of the most senior ranks - the decision makers - are...... have a guess. its not going to happen tomorrow....as TIGHTCHOKE pointed out.....planes will be phased out and used less and less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, ditchman said: its not going to happen tomorrow....as TIGHTCHOKE pointed out.....planes will be phased out and used less and less It's going to be interesting. It's possible that our government will have to make a decision which as we know means much dithering in the aisles. The real problem will be if then, later, they wish to change their mind which even if possible is going to be mind-blowing expensive and all due to a decision made on 1April 1965 and announced in a budget 4 days later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 30 Author Report Share Posted July 30 39 minutes ago, wymberley said: It's going to be interesting. It's possible that our government will have to make a decision which as we know means much dithering in the aisles. The real problem will be if then, later, they wish to change their mind which even if possible is going to be mind-blowing expensive and all due to a decision made on 1April 1965 and announced in a budget 4 days later. as i said earlier on.....i have red a couple of articles....(i cant tell you which ones as i cant garuntee the truth of them)....that our govt' is somewhat reticent of funding the replacement jets to the eurofighter....as TIGHTCHOKE says theeurofighter will still go on with upgrades for several years.......... but when you think of the incredible cost and complexity of development of a new fast jet.....and compare that to the number of low cost low maintanece drones (in all their forms).....there must be a lot of number crunching going on modern warfare is all about profit and loss......the bottom line and bang for yer buck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 35 minutes ago, ditchman said: our govt' is somewhat reticent of funding the replacement jets to the eurofighter I think theres a certain tactic within superpowers, where they announce a hi tech project, gen 6 fighter jets, laser weaponry, rail guns or stealth ships, and chortle to themselves as the opposition scrabbles to counter or create the balance they believe they will need. Some of the R + D is beneficial to other projects, but like Reagans star wars project, the technology, and indeed the NEED for such things are often lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 30 Author Report Share Posted July 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: I think theres a certain tactic within superpowers, where they announce a hi tech project, gen 6 fighter jets, laser weaponry, rail guns or stealth ships, and chortle to themselves as the opposition scrabbles to counter or create the balance they believe they will need. Some of the R + D is beneficial to other projects, but like Reagans star wars project, the technology, and indeed the NEED for such things are often lacking. wheels within wheels eh!.................wouldnt we love to be in the know err do we know for certain that Reagans star wars project didnt succeed ....... .......there have been alot of rockets to go up there since Reagan... Edited July 30 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 3 hours ago, ditchman said: as i said earlier on.....i have red a couple of articles....(i cant tell you which ones as i cant garuntee the truth of them)....that our govt' is somewhat reticent of funding the replacement jets to the eurofighter....as TIGHTCHOKE says theeurofighter will still go on with upgrades for several years.......... but when you think of the incredible cost and complexity of development of a new fast jet.....and compare that to the number of low cost low maintanece drones (in all their forms).....there must be a lot of number crunching going on modern warfare is all about profit and loss......the bottom line and bang for yer buck... Why sink the money into sovereign gen 6 solutions, if we have a reliable partner in the form of the US, the key question at the moment is will we have a reliable partner in the form of the US by the time the make vs. buy decision needs to be made. 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: I think theres a certain tactic within superpowers, where they announce a hi tech project, gen 6 fighter jets, laser weaponry, rail guns or stealth ships, and chortle to themselves as the opposition scrabbles to counter or create the balance they believe they will need. Some of the R + D is beneficial to other projects, but like Reagans star wars project, the technology, and indeed the NEED for such things are often lacking. For sure, the key (rhetorical) question though is do they play by the same rules - does Russia overstate it's Hypersonic ICBM capabilities? - does the US underplay its future "alien tech" propulsion capabilities? Nobody has mentioned missile/drone defence, we need our own "Kippat Barzel" solution and it needs to be a cost effective solution too, can't keep chucking missiles costing millions at drones costing 10's of thousands. On the topic of Tech, there's the silicon sovereignty issue too, we'd be in a right pickle if China takes Tawain and we don't have an alternative source of chips (I've not looked recently but TSMC make about 60% of all chips produced globally). And it's not just the control of the chips the Chinese want, they don't have the tech for the silicon fabs at the same nano-metre density that Tawain does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 27 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Nobody has mentioned missile/drone defence, we need our own "Kippat Barzel" solution and it needs to be a cost effective solution too, can't keep chucking missiles costing millions at drones costing 10's of thousands. The Israeli "Iron Dome" system is rather good, very expensive and not really what we would need. It protects on a line. We would need to put it all over the place and it simply would be far too expensive to implement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 As far as I know we don’t have a single ground based continental ballistic missile radar? Anything but our own Iron Dome-esque solution leaves us open to short range maritime drone attacks. I don’t know how many sky sabre batteries we have but they fire 24 missiles I believe and I assume would be strategically deployed to protect critical targets. So currently our IAMD solution is a combination of destroyers and aircraft deployed for air defence purposes, right? And that’s not changing any time soon, certainly not before 2029. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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