Winter fuel allowance gone 🤔

[oowee]

11 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

In my opinion  in many cases we are paying more than they are worth and we are no where near getting what we paid for.

So why then do we have a shortage of doctors, nurses, care workers etc. Do you think less pay will improve the situation? 

25 minutes ago, Dougy said:

The country still hands out benefits to how many immigrants that have paid nothing in If you've got a hole in your bucket you plug the hole if you want to fill it. 

 

I guess you are talking about asylum seekers rather than the migrants that have arrived to fill our employment blackhole following Brexit?

Asylum seekers get £50 per person per month loaded onto a card to buy food and clothing. They also get accommodation. What would you propose? 

Seems to me the best thing to do is process them as quickly as possible. Get shot of those that are false claimants. Resettle the rest so that they can get earning. 

[Dougy]

I wont comment any further on this. We obviously dont live on the same planet.  

[dainty duck]

31 minutes ago, Dougy said:

I wont comment any further on this. We obviously dont live on the same planet.  

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[JohnfromUK]

 

It's the Labour way.

[Weihrauch17]

5 hours ago, oowee said:

I completely agree. In rural locations transport can be a nightmare. Here for a once a day bus I have to walk 2 miles to catch it. That said we have to tackle climate change and taxing carbon is one way to do it.

Ultimately if people cannot afford the lifestyle that they have then they have to change their lifestyle. I am currently (fingers crossed) moving into town where the bus stop will be almost opposite the house. A far cry from the location I have but recognising where I live is unsustainable. 

The govt has to raise £20bn. Every service is broken and the economy is in decline. We cannot afford unsustainable benefit payments.

Scrap the GBE quango that produces nothing and don't give away £12 Billion to help other countries climate change, sorted.  BTW there is no £22 Billion black hole it is a bare faced lie to raise Taxation. If you believe taxing carbon will change the climate you are truly bonkers!

16 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

 

It's the Labour way.

Just about sums things up.

Edited September 11 by Weihrauch17

[Yellow Bear]

40 minutes ago, oowee said:

So why then do we have a shortage of doctors, nurses, care workers etc. Do you think less pay will improve the situation? 

Nice selective swerve there - I said in many cases not all;

In answer to your questions tho'The shortage of doctors is due, in a large part to the last lieboor Degrees for all policy and freeing up the uni's.   They reduced places on the Expensive courses  to give more "non courses that made more money.  Remember that it takes 9 years from 6th form entry before they classify as doctors.

Nurses is part due to the same issue but in many ways due to the proliferation of well paid  "non jobs" that senior nurses give their mates.

Can't answer for care workers but i am aware that incompetent management, particularly in local government, accounts for some of the trouble.

 

 

[B686]

Even if the uk went 100% green tomorrow it wouldn’t make the blindest bit of difference to climate change globally as we’re such a minnow compared to other countries. Total waste of money that could be better spent.

[TOPGUN749]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

So why then do we have a shortage of doctors, nurses, care workers etc. Do you think less pay will improve the situation? 

I guess you are talking about asylum seekers rather than the migrants that have arrived to fill our employment blackhole following Brexit?

Asylum seekers get £50 per person per month loaded onto a card to buy food and clothing. They also get accommodation. What would you propose? 

Seems to me the best thing to do is process them as quickly as possible. Get shot of those that are false claimants. Resettle the rest so that they can get earning. 

Do you really think they can feed and clothe themselves on £1.64 a day? What about housing costs? They are costing a fortune,but somehow we can afford them but not our pensioners heating allowance. Every one who comes here illegally should be taken straight back to the country that allowed them to leave. As for earning! What a joke, they can’t afford a home,many can’t speak English, they will always be a burden on the British state!

2 hours ago, Dougy said:

I wont comment any further on this. We obviously dont live on the same planet.  

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[harrycatcat1]

3 hours ago, oowee said:

So why then do we have a shortage of doctors, nurses, care workers etc. Do you think less pay will improve the situation? 

I guess you are talking about asylum seekers rather than the migrants that have arrived to fill our employment blackhole following Brexit?

Asylum seekers get £50 per person per month loaded onto a card to buy food and clothing. They also get accommodation. What would you propose? 

Seems to me the best thing to do is process them as quickly as possible. Get shot of those that are false claimants. Resettle the rest so that they can get earning. 

You may wish to change your medication 💊 

 

[TOPGUN749]

2 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said:

You may wish to change your medication 💊 

 

Hence taxes will dramatically rise to pay for it all,Labour will welcome them all and would be happy with another 10 million foreigners..

[oowee]

4 minutes ago, TOPGUN749 said:

Hence taxes will dramatically rise to pay for it all,Labour will welcome them all and would be happy with another 10 million foreigners..

? since 2019 there are something like a million migrants to the country from Asia as a result of the Brexit vote. The majority of these will be paying tax. 

There were something like 116000 asylum seekers arriving by boat since 2018. 

 

[TOPGUN749]

23 minutes ago, oowee said:

? since 2019 there are something like a million migrants to the country from Asia as a result of the Brexit vote. The majority of these will be paying tax. 

There were something like 116000 asylum seekers arriving by boat since 2018. 

 

If each one of 116,000 are getting £50 a week,that’s £301 million,which would have paid for 1.2 million British pensioner’s heating allowance! With all the other costs of hotels,free transport,education,free healthcare (which we can’t get,) every pensioner could have been paid with plenty left over.

[TOPGUN749]

6 hours ago, oowee said:

If you earn x and are happy with it knowing you don't need more for your pension because state pension is y then the pension payment is not encouraging more work. If however the payment is less than the y you need then you will work harder, save more get another job. Simples. Its another benefit not an entitlement. 

After 35 years of national insurance contributions it’s an entitlement if it wasn’t we wouldn’t get it! Many unfortunately do not even live until the age of 66 and receive nothing for all their 35 years of contributions,neither do their families!

[Lloyd90]

3 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

Nice selective swerve there - I said in many cases not all;

In answer to your questions tho'The shortage of doctors is due, in a large part to the last lieboor Degrees for all policy and freeing up the uni's.   They reduced places on the Expensive courses  to give more "non courses that made more money.  Remember that it takes 9 years from 6th form entry before they classify as doctors.

Nurses is part due to the same issue but in many ways due to the proliferation of well paid  "non jobs" that senior nurses give their mates.

Can't answer for care workers but i am aware that incompetent management, particularly in local government, accounts for some of the trouble.

 

 

What was it you do again? 
 

Knowing lots of people in private industry I find it laughable that you seem to suggest nepotism, poor management and inefficiency are solely seen in the public sector. 
 

They are massive issues in all sectors, whilst theres many many people in the public sector who could be better paid and less stressed elsewhere … but do so because they want to help people.
 

Many care assistance, nursing assistants, etc, are better off working in supermarkets with a lot less stress and grief, yet we have them alongside other workers being assaulted and abused in work whilst people slate them for their efforts.  

[100milesaway]

57 minutes ago, oowee said:

? since 2019 there are something like a million migrants to the country from Asia as a result of the Brexit vote. The majority of these will be paying tax. 

There were something like 116000 asylum seekers arriving by boat since 2018. 

 

They are not asylum seekers they are illegal immigrants.

From Auntie 

[TOPGUN749]

19 minutes ago, 100milesaway said:

They are not asylum seekers they are illegal immigrants.

From Auntie 

Exactly right illegal aliens! The soft lefties call them asylum seekers and can’t get enough of them!

[shaun4860]

9 hours ago, welsh1 said:

The pensions that need looking at are the ones for the public sector, over generous and totally unsustainable, but i suppose if we look at doctors and nurses pensions and the civil service there will be much wailing and hollering.
 

I think oowee lives in a different world to most of us 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

9 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

How about reducing the gold plated index linked civil service and MPs' pensions then, it will garner a lot more income without hitting the less well off.  Just removing the index link if before you do it to the poor would be a start.

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I can feel my blood pressure rising whilst reading oowees replies 🤯

[old man]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Who mentioned cuts? I said the tripple lock is unsustainable. It was a mechanism to bring pensions to a better level. It cannot continue at some point we will need a different metric. 

A bit confused here, why does the better level you quote always start at the lower end?Pensioners, homeless and working families in food banks hit every time? Heating costs,

Let's face it no politico is ever going to suffer any reduction in living standards as their excuse to claim more expenses is so easy?

[old man]

14 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Also on todays news, MPs get a heating allowance £££££££SSSSSSSS

Of course they do?

The longer this misuse goes on, history says the larger will be the backlash?

[old man]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Totally agree. The answer though is not in increasing state pension as that only encourages less work. We must push for personal pensions so when retirement comes you get the very minimal subsistence (not sure that's the right word) state pension enhanced by the personal pension plan you saved for. 

I appreciate that for many pensioners private pension was not an option so we would need some tapering system for those older pensioners. Although I am not sure how that works. My mum 86 earned extra pension working in a shop years ago.

Please clarify your first sentence, I really wasn't aware that increases in state pension related to less work?

Going to lie down again now, the single neuron is fading out.😃

[TOPGUN749]

7 hours ago, shaun4860 said:

I think oowee lives in a different world to most of us 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

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I can feel my blood pressure rising whilst reading oowees replies 🤯

Agreed,he doesn’t get it ,just like the Labour politicians .🤣🤣

[dainty duck]

8 hours ago, shaun4860 said:

I think oowee lives in a different world to most of us 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

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I can feel my blood pressure rising whilst reading oowees replies 🤯

sack him then ! he should not be allowed to upset you or anyone else on the forum !

[Yellow Bear]

10 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:

What was it you do again? 
 

Knowing lots of people in private industry I find it laughable that you seem to suggest nepotism, poor management and inefficiency are solely seen in the public sector. 

OK Lloyd I'll bite  -  I was a specialist building services engineer working primarily on large public buildings with hospitals a speciality.   I am married into a family of medics and PSMs and have many friends and acquaintances in both sectors.

On your second point you are correct but not to the same level, and the points you mention frequently result  in the person losing their post or the company going bust, the two things that never happen in the public sector.

Your third point has some validity but in my field of experience rare.

 

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, dainty duck said:

sack him then ! he should not be allowed to upset you or anyone else on the forum !

 

2 hours ago, old man said:

Please clarify your first sentence, I really wasn't aware that increases in state pension related to less work?

Going to lie down again now, the single neuron is fading out.😃

😁. Its simple really we have to take care of everyone. Benefits must be at a level to care for people but not encourage work avoidance. Pensions are the same the more you pay the less people will look after themselves through their working lives. 

Of course we can look at what taxes are spent on and its right that we should save where we can (we will all have different views on this) but the principle of keeping benefits light is fundamental to growing productivity. 

At the same time as keeping benefits including pensions at a sustainable level we must redistribute wealth (tax) by ensuring that those that have a surplus of wealth provide for more of the fabric of our society. 

[Penelope]

17 hours ago, TOPGUN749 said:

We have some of the lowest pensions in Europe,and you want to make it lower than the cost of living? So 1% a year increase on £221 a week is adequate for you? Why do people like you always start their cuts at the lower end,never those on £2,000 a week or more? The last government cut National insurance,giving an extra £1,500 a year to the wealthy on £50,000, now this one takes away £200 a year from pensioners on £11,600. Unbelievable..

Agreed again, civil servants and health workers get huge percentage put in their pension pot all part of the black hole. Unless every worker gets the same and full sick pay and extra holidays then they should have just the basic too!

£50k, wealthy; where, please?