Rise of "the right"

[12gauge82]

19 hours ago, oowee said:

It was always so. Unfortunately the rose tint gets darker with age. 

 

Your right oowee. But there was a time when public services worked, people were generally happier, we enjoyed more freedoms, one persons wage could support a family ect. 

Globalist policies driven by elites has put paid to all of that and for the first time in recent history, children are poorer than the generation before them. The debate over the causes of that could go on for years, but one things for sure, somethings gone very wrong with the way things are done today. 

[oowee]

1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said:

Your right oowee. But there was a time when public services worked, people were generally happier, we enjoyed more freedoms, one persons wage could support a family ect. 

Globalist policies driven by elites has put paid to all of that and for the first time in recent history, children are poorer than the generation before them. The debate over the causes of that could go on for years, but one things for sure, somethings gone very wrong with the way things are done today. 

I honestly think it was probably much worse before. It's now that we know so much more of what is happening around us. Even if it is a distorted truth. 

I think (for the UK) living standards, education and life expectancy have all fallen.  The first time in 50+ years under the tory government. 

The UK was a large producer of oil and gas so living off those profits, we were in the EU and had access to easier trade and 3m additional workers. Now we have far less workers and a far older population greater global competition and less barriers to exploitation. When times are hard its easy to bitch about the minor things that we can blame on everyone and everything else. 

The reality of being past our prime is beginning to bite. 

[Rewulf]

15 minutes ago, oowee said:

The UK was a large producer of oil and gas so living off those profits, we were in the EU and had access to easier trade and 3m additional workers. Now we have far less workers and a far older population greater global competition and less barriers to exploitation. When times are hard its easy to bitch about the minor things that we can blame on everyone and everything else. 

The reality of being past our prime is beginning to bite. 

The reality is we are importing low skilled workers from the 3rd world who will never be net contributors to our fiscal system.
We are championing a net zero project that will further impoverish ordinary people, whilst simultaneously removing freedoms and travel choices.
We are removing our ability to recover our manufacturing sector, by these same net zero objectives.

We will be a nation of impoverished shop keepers, with stores full of imported goods, that eventually no one will be able to afford.

32 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Globalist policies driven by elites has put paid to all of that and for the first time in recent history, children are poorer than the generation before them. The debate over the causes of that could go on for years, but one things for sure, somethings gone very wrong with the way things are done today. 

They say that given enough time, large changes go unnoticed.
But those of us who grew up in the 80-90s can remember, even through economic downturns, life in the UK wasnt too bad, buying a house or nice car was achievable for most working class people.
In these times, house prices and rents can amount to more than half your salary, cars are proportionately 3 x what they were 10 years ago.
Energy and fuel are the highest theyve ever been, even when adjusted for inflation.
Our NHS, once a world standard of service, lies broken, with many trusts in special measures due to inefficiency.

This is the legacy and future of globalism, enabled by our utterly useless political class.

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

The reality is we are importing low skilled workers from the 3rd world who will never be net contributors to our fiscal system.
We are championing a net zero project that will further impoverish ordinary people, whilst simultaneously removing freedoms and travel choices.
We are removing our ability to recover our manufacturing sector, by these same net zero objectives.

We will be a nation of impoverished shop keepers, with stores full of imported goods, that eventually no one will be able to afford.

They say that given enough time, large changes go unnoticed.
But those of us who grew up in the 80-90s can remember, even through economic downturns, life in the UK wasnt too bad, buying a house or nice car was achievable for most working class people.

No we are importing 10's of thousands of workers from the 3rd world that we are short of in the UK under the workers visa scheme,  together with their large extended families because the country voted to leave the EU. Unfortunately unlike EU workers the poverty in their home countries is such that very few are likely to return. 

The few thousand asylum seekers are a mere drop in the ocean (no pun intended) by comparison. 

Once we removed barriers to trade we further open the UK to price based competition further reducing our standard of living. 

 

[Rewulf]

16 minutes ago, oowee said:

we are importing 10's of thousands of workers from the 3rd world that we are short of in the UK under the workers visa scheme

More like 100s of 1000s, but they are on a working visa, no work, no visa, back you go, and its no good claiming asylum at that point, as it would be rejected.

16 minutes ago, oowee said:

The few thousand asylum seekers are a mere drop in the ocean (no pun intended) by comparison.

Those 'few thousand' more like 100,000 a year cost British taxpayers £7 billion a year at a conservative estimate, in the long run, its likely double that, and every year it increases by 10 %
At least those on a working visa largely pay for themselves, just like the EU ones did.
The difference is we also that we get to approve who comes here on a working visa, the 'refugees' are totally unregulated, with a percentage being hardened criminals and terrorists.

[oowee]

32 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

More like 100s of 1000s, but they are on a working visa, no work, no visa, back you go, and its no good claiming asylum at that point, as it would be rejected.

 

No need for asylum. Five years and those 100's of thousands of third world workers and their enlarged families can stay,  courtesy of the Brexit dividend. 

[Rewulf]

15 minutes ago, oowee said:

No need for asylum. Five years and those 100's of thousands of third world workers and their enlarged families can stay,  courtesy of the Brexit dividend. 

Just like the 6 million + EU citizens who never went home then ?

[oowee]

9 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Just like the 6 million + EU citizens who never went home then ?

🤣 please 🤣

Which is likely to be better for integration? A large extended family from the third world or a family from Poland? 

[Rewulf]

25 minutes ago, oowee said:

Which is likely to be better for integration? A large extended family from the third world or a family from Poland? 

Whoa ! 
That sounds a little err.. whats the word , begins with R ? 

[oowee]

14 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Whoa ! 
That sounds a little err.. whats the word , begins with R ? 

😁 Have to point out a Brexit bonus when I see one. 😇

[Rewulf]

54 minutes ago, oowee said:

😁 Have to point out a Brexit bonus when I see one. 😇

Sounded more like a 'Diversity is our strength' moment, as long as theyre white, which sounds a little far right ? 

Personally, I dont care where they come from, as long as they contribute, and integrate.

[Yellow Bear]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

as long as they contribute, and integrate.

THIS is the vital part that is missing with several groups.

[old man]

16 hours ago, oowee said:

I honestly think it was probably much worse before. It's now that we know so much more of what is happening around us. Even if it is a distorted truth. 

I think (for the UK) living standards, education and life expectancy have all fallen.  The first time in 50+ years under the tory government. 

The UK was a large producer of oil and gas so living off those profits, we were in the EU and had access to easier trade and 3m additional workers. Now we have far less workers and a far older population greater global competition and less barriers to exploitation. When times are hard its easy to bitch about the minor things that we can blame on everyone and everything else. 

The reality of being past our prime is beginning to bite. 

Mm, frighteningly a bit too much common sense in there?😜

[Vince Green]

23 hours ago, oowee said:

 we were in the EU and had access to easier trade and 3m additional workers. Now we have far less workers 

EU workers can still come here and lots still do. It's not as though they are banned from coming here. All they have to do is fill in a few forms.

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

EU workers can still come here and lots still do. It's not as though they are banned from coming here. All they have to do is fill in a few forms.

😁 for hospitality? 

[Vince Green]

Just now, oowee said:

😁 for hospitality? 

They just have to have a job to go to

That's not unreasonable 

[oowee]

6 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

They just have to have a job to go to

That's not unreasonable 

Read the rules. Job or not they can't come without a work visa. Visa is for skilled jobs. That's why we are short of 2m? Workers. Why we have huge wage inflation. All part of the 4% cut in gdp. 

We knew that like we knew that Brexit would massively increase immigration.  

[Vince Green]

Just now, oowee said:

Read the rules. Job or not they can't come without a work visa. Visa is for skilled jobs. That's why we are short of 2m? Workers. Why we have huge wage inflation. All part of the 4% cut in gdp. 

We knew that like we knew that Brexit would massively increase immigration.  

Only selectively true. We issued approx 350,000 visas  last year to workers in the care sector. Most of them are unskilled and unqualified carers.  Some will be doctors and nurses but not most.

We also issued approx 110,000 visas for family members of those carers

 

[armsid]

It would be good if our civil servants working or retired could give an indication of how many people of working age are drawing benifits who could but will not work due to the fact they are better off not working ,the amount of people claiming sick because of waiting times for appointments that stops them workingand the amount of jobs lost due to net zero jobs going to the EU before we left apprenticeships stalled because we lost the industrial  the country no investment in training as skills could be imported from EU We would rather let 1000,s of people idle on the dole and import workers to do the jobs they should be made to do (limit the time on dole to 2 yrs like France ) stop giving more in benifits than you can earn and bring back industry to employ people on decent wages that can support a family on 1 wage The scenario we are in is down to Brown who went to Eastern Europe when they joined the EU and bribed them with £10k to come here to start businesses in an effort to drive wages down France will not employ anyone who is not of French heritage for jobs like plumbers builders etc the bosses get heavily fined ie a closed shop to all but French Germany you have to learn to speak and write German in 6 mths or no job and no dole if you refuseBritain will employ anyone and sod the rest of us paying for those on the dole who will not work and those coming in drawing tax credits to make up the wages it cannot go on as those paying taxes will soon run out of life revolt or end up on the sick after working hard to support their families plus the non producers and the tax credit recipiants It would be nice to know what percentage of the pop. is not in work drawing benifits (excluding pensioners they have paid) long term sick due to delays with appointments etc

[Mungler]

8 hours ago, armsid said:

It would be good if our civil servants working or retired could give an indication of how many people of working age are drawing benifits who could but will not work due to the fact they are better off not working ,the amount of people claiming sick because of waiting times for appointments that stops them workingand the amount of jobs lost due to net zero jobs going to the EU before we left apprenticeships stalled because we lost the industrial  the country no investment in training as skills could be imported from EU We would rather let 1000,s of people idle on the dole and import workers to do the jobs they should be made to do (limit the time on dole to 2 yrs like France ) stop giving more in benifits than you can earn and bring back industry to employ people on decent wages that can support a family on 1 wage The scenario we are in is down to Brown who went to Eastern Europe when they joined the EU and bribed them with £10k to come here to start businesses in an effort to drive wages down France will not employ anyone who is not of French heritage for jobs like plumbers builders etc the bosses get heavily fined ie a closed shop to all but French Germany you have to learn to speak and write German in 6 mths or no job and no dole if you refuseBritain will employ anyone and sod the rest of us paying for those on the dole who will not work and those coming in drawing tax credits to make up the wages it cannot go on as those paying taxes will soon run out of life revolt or end up on the sick after working hard to support their families plus the non producers and the tax credit recipiants It would be nice to know what percentage of the pop. is not in work drawing benifits (excluding pensioners they have paid) long term sick due to delays with appointments etc

8,000,000 people too sick to work. A remarkable number and statistically improbably too.

Our political elites opted to import cheap Labour when we had cheap Labour sitting idly by here - rather than sort the home grown problem out they went for importing Labour (and a work ethic).

I know and have seen generationally unemployed through work. People think they don’t exist or they’re in low numbers - they are wrong. Someone in their late teens - already got a kid, not with dad. Teenager’s mum, on her own had 4 kids by 4 different fathers, none of whom are around. No one in the whole family across generations or siblings have a job let alone a career. One massive claim up and income supplemented flogging weed. Absolute hopeless and pointless drain on society.

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Edited October 4 by Mungler

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello , Where is she getting this 8 million from  

[Mungler]

25 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello , Where is she getting this 8 million from  

Non-working benefits claimant figures. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

3 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Non-working benefits claimant figures. 

Hello, I could only find 2.8 million claiming Benefits online, 

[Scully]

There are loads of jobs in the care sector; they’re always crying out for staff, but not many want to do that type of work….and I can see why. 
OH’s Dad is in palliative care at home, and has been for a couple of months now. 
Carers visit three times a day, the vast majority of whom are black lads from Zambia, based at Morecambe and Lancaster. Most have wives and kids to support.
 They aren’t on bad money either, but possibly thats because they bang the hours in. 
First visit is 0630, and we are their first call, which means they set off before 0500, which in turn means a getting out of bed time sometime before then. 
Their last visit ( to us ) is around 1800, and they sometimes have one each to do after that. Long days. 
One has never seen snow and is in for a shock driving on these roads if the old boy is still with us by then! 🙂
 

[Vince Green]

2 hours ago, Mungler said:

8,000,000 people too sick to work. A remarkable number and statistically improbably too.

Our political elites opted to import cheap Labour when we had cheap Labour sitting idly by here - rather than sort the home grown problem out they went for importing Labour (and a work ethic).

I know and have seen generationally unemployed through work. People think they don’t exist or they’re in low numbers - they are wrong. Someone in their late teens - already got a kid, not with dad. Teenager’s mum, on her own had 4 kids by 4 different fathers, none of whom are around. No one in the whole family across generations or siblings have a job let alone a career. One massive claim up and income supplemented flogging weed. Absolute hopeless and pointless drain on society.

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A lot of long term unemployed are moved onto "the sick" to manipulate down the unemployment figures.

That gives the individual access to more benefits and effectively locks them into benefits for life but it gets them off the jobcentre's books and having to pretend they are looking for work.

It's virtually a one way street at that stage. Trying to get them back to work  would be very hard. There are virtually no jobs that would give the same income as they are getting on benefits (without having to get up in the morning)