So much for free movement

[welsh1]

Looks like Germany have finally realised that opening your borders to all does not work.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-put-temporary-controls-all-land-borders-source-says-2024-09-09/

[Dougy]

And our government is still thinking about it. 

In  a way glad I don't have any kids it would worry me what kind of country they'd end up living in.  They'd probably get evicted. 

Pathetic absolutely Pathetic. 

[Vince Green]

The Northern European countries are all hardening their stance

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Finally..............................

[ditchman]

errr closing the gate after the horse has bolted ?

there is nothing the sausage munchers can do........it will make no difference.......its optics for you...all to do with votes..

Edited September 9, 2024 by ditchman

[Westley]

2 hours ago, Vince Green said:

The Northern European countries are all hardening their stance

With ONE exception,  it seems   🙄

[Vince Green]

39 minutes ago, Westley said:

With ONE exception,  it seems   🙄

When every door but one is closed, where will they all go I wonder?

It's not just about the illegals though. Germany and other Northern European countries do not want unrestricted movement of labour from poorer EU countries anymore. At one time, not so long ago, they thought masses of cheap labour was a bonus for their industries but those industries are now failing

Take Volkswagon as an example.  It could actually go bust. Technically it is already bankrupt as demand for their cars has fallen alarmingly.  More importantly its still falling, they are laying off staff.

The one thing they don't need is more people

Edited September 9, 2024 by Vince Green

[Mungler]

And where are the Euro loving lovelies on this thread?

Nothing says European Union quite like member state unilaterally imposed border controls between Schengen countries in the Schengen zone eh? 

There are national emergency small print powers, but odds on this is in breach of prevailing EU law and upping repatriation/ deportations also probably breaches ECHR laws, bringing me back to one of my honed dislikes of the EU in that the rules we were required to slavishly follow could be unilaterally abandoned by Germany and France at their whim, but not us.

It’s the start of the end of the EU - rationally and objectively look at what is happening and everyone can see it can’t last - if Germany tips economically and each EU member country gets flooded with a million or so non productive extra bodies year on year. Simple non-political matters of maths and physics.

 

7 hours ago, Vince Green said:

When every door but one is closed, where will they all go I wonder?

It's not just about the illegals though. Germany and other Northern European countries do not want unrestricted movement of labour from poorer EU countries anymore. At one time, not so long ago, they thought masses of cheap labour was a bonus for their industries but those industries are now failing

Take Volkswagon as an example.  It could actually go bust. Technically it is already bankrupt as demand for their cars has fallen alarmingly.  More importantly its still falling, they are laying off staff.

The one thing they don't need is more people

Good post.

The brown stuff is on its way towards the fan for sure.

[old man]

11 hours ago, Dougy said:

And our government is still thinking about it. 

In  a way glad I don't have any kids it would worry me what kind of country they'd end up living in.  They'd probably get evicted. 

Pathetic absolutely Pathetic. 

It's beyond that bud.

[old man]

8 hours ago, Vince Green said:

When every door but one is closed, where will they all go I wonder?

It's not just about the illegals though. Germany and other Northern European countries do not want unrestricted movement of labour from poorer EU countries anymore. At one time, not so long ago, they thought masses of cheap labour was a bonus for their industries but those industries are now failing

Take Volkswagon as an example.  It could actually go bust. Technically it is already bankrupt as demand for their cars has fallen alarmingly.  More importantly its still falling, they are laying off staff.

The one thing they don't need is more people

Ah well, that must have been the plan?

We might as well hire cruise ships to fetch them over?

All full up by the end of March next year?

[Vince Green]

A story in the Telegraph this morning saying Germany is closing its borders to migrants. Including EU nationals unless they meet certain criteria.

Schengen is effectively now history. Another failed dream based on ideology rather than practical considerations consigned to the past

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

11 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

A story in the Telegraph this morning saying Germany is closing its borders to migrants. Including EU nationals unless they meet certain criteria.

Schengen is effectively now history. Another failed dream based on ideology rather than practical considerations consigned to the past

 

Hello, How many did Angela Merkel let in ???, Horse and stable door seem appropriate !!!!!!!!

[Vince Green]

Just now, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, How many did Angela Merkel let in ???, Horse and stable door seem appropriate !!!!!!!!

Back then she saw an opportunity for getting a supply of cheap skivvies to do all the dirty jobs for peanuts wages. Good if it had worked, the Germans have always had  Turkish  dogsbodies to dig their roads and empty their bins etc

It backfired on her though

[TIGHTCHOKE]

14 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, How many did Angela Merkel let in ???, Horse and stable door seem appropriate !!!!!!!!

Reputedly well over a million before the backtracking started.   

Just now, Vince Green said:

Back then she saw an opportunity for getting a supply of cheap skivvies to do all the dirty jobs for peanuts wages. Good if it had worked, the Germans have always had  Turkish  dogsbodies to dig their roads and empty their bins etc

It backfired on her though

Certainly did...............

[Vince Green]

The EU has been told in an internal report that it has to increase public spending by 800 billion euros just to stop the decline in their economy

Have they got it? I very much doubt it

The EU is sliding down the slippery slope as markets slow down. Even tourism is down

Anyone who thinks that increasing public spending to compensate for a fall in productivity is ever going to work is deluded.

All I can say is thank God we are out because quite a big chunk of that 800 billion would be demanded from us.

[oowee]

5 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

The EU has been told in an internal report that it has to increase public spending by 800 billion euros just to stop the decline in their economy

Have they got it? I very much doubt it

The EU is sliding down the slippery slope as markets slow down. Even tourism is down

Anyone who thinks that increasing public spending to compensate for a fall in productivity is ever going to work is deluded.

All I can say is thank God we are out because quite a big chunk of that 800 billion would be demanded from us.

Just the opening we need for Kier to make his move. 

[Vince Green]

Just now, oowee said:

Just the opening we need for Kier to make his move. 

You have to be joking! 

Oh yes I see what you mean. It's Starmer we are talking about......

[oowee]

From the report. The report highlighted how 30% of EU startup businesses that had grown to be valued at more than €1bn – known as unicorns – had moved abroad, and mostly to list on stock markets in the US.

These are the same problems faced in the UK. 

[armsid]

And how many companies here are owned by European companies as they are in danger of folding unless we put cash in to save them and regain control

[oowee]

12 minutes ago, armsid said:

And how many companies here are owned by European companies as they are in danger of folding unless we put cash in to save them and regain control

It's more a call for increased competetiveness.

Warning that the Covid pandemic and Ukraine war had changed the rules of international trade to the EU’s detriment, he said the bloc needed additional investment of €750bn-€800bn a year – equivalent to 5% of the EU’s annual economic output – to build a more resilient economy and regain previously high rates of productivity growth.

Uk is in an even worse position. Gdp 2.3% above pre pandemic compared to eurozone up 4%. 

[old man]

8 hours ago, armsid said:

And how many companies here are owned by European companies as they are in danger of folding unless we put cash in to save them and regain control

Mm, that's a real consideration?

Our lot gave away all control and now failure looms, due to absolute greed they have nerve to come back for more?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 hour ago, old man said:

Mm, that's a real consideration?

Our lot gave away all control and now failure looms, due to absolute greed they have nerve to come back for more?

SOLD away not GAVE away, we as a country took the money and now are reaping the results, I wonder if anyone involved in the bloody awful sell offs is still alive with a conscience?

[Vince Green]

9 hours ago, oowee said:

From the report. The report highlighted how 30% of EU startup businesses that had grown to be valued at more than €1bn – known as unicorns – had moved abroad, and mostly to list on stock markets in the US.

These are the same problems faced in the UK. 

And what about all the British companies that were given totally illegal financial inducements by the EU to relocate to places like Eastern Europe and Ireland pre Brexit?

[Vince Green]

There is a very similar article in the Guardian this morning. Saying the same as the one in the Telegraph yesterday.

Schengen is dead. The Guardian used to be a remain newspaper but not anymore. It's now becoming very critical of the way things are being run within the EU and highlighting its internal problems.

We can't be smug though, even though we are out of the EU we are still going to go down with them if the whole thing collapsed. 

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

There is a very similar article in the Guardian this morning. Saying the same as the one in the Telegraph yesterday.

Schengen is dead. The Guardian used to be a remain newspaper but not anymore. It's now becoming very critical of the way things are being run within the EU and highlighting its internal problems.

We can't be smug though, even though we are out of the EU we are still going to go down with them if the whole thing collapsed. 

And yet we choose to have choose to give up our influence on our own future. 🤣

It's clear immigration has increased directly as a result of Brexit. 

Its clear that our economy has declined as a direct result of Brexit. 

It's clear our personal freedoms are restricted as a direct result of Brexit. 

I rest my case.