harrycatcat1 Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 Our "conservatory" door lock has been playing up and sometimes won't unlock and sometimes when it'sĀ unlocked it won't open. My man came and said the locking mechanism is cream crackered and it's also obsolete, they are 30+ years old. So the upshot is I would have to have new doors.Ā In the short term what would be the best way to secure the door that is "unlockable" as there is no guarantee that you could get back in or out. Without screwing it up altogether š¤š¤š¤ Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 (edited) Try the Leicester old established locksmiths of Morgan's. In business since 1717 (yes, really) they have a large selection of now obsolete locks, door mechanisms and etc., which may also include yours. So they have much "new old stock" for no longer current production doors. If they do have it and they don't post then as long as it is paid for I can collect and post it out to you for the cost Ā£5.90 of the postage. https://www.morganslocksmiths.com/ Edited September 14 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted September 14 Author Report Share Posted September 14 5 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: Try the Leicester old established locksmiths of Morgan's. In business since 1717 (yes, really) they have a large selection of now obsolete locks, door mechanisms and etc., which may also include yours. So they have much "new old stock" for no longer current production doors. If they do have it and they don't post then as long as it is paid for I can collect and post it out to you for the cost Ā£5.90 of the postage. https://www.morganslocksmiths.com/ I will have a look thanks, kind offer too šĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 Surly the handle/lock is a fairly standard design, as the the mech inside afaik there is nothing that cannot be replaced quite simply. As you have nothing to lose I would strip it down and have a look at it.First thing I would check is if the lock works when the door is open to eliminate swelling under heat as a cause. I think you can buy a universal door lock repair kit for less than Ā£100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 26 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said: I will have a look thanks, kind offer too šĀ Happy to help. My family have used Morgan's since well over one hundred years (they did the all the locks on my grandfather's old factory) and they are exceptionally good.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 14 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: Surly the handle/lock is a fairly standard design, as the the mech inside afaik there is nothing that cannot be replaced quite simply. As you have nothing to lose I would strip it down and have a look at it.First thing I would check is if the lock works when the door is open to eliminate swelling under heat as a cause. I think you can buy a universal door lock repair kit for less than Ā£100. As above.Ā IĀ don't see any great problem there.Ā one of the daughters had a similar problem with her front door . We went to B&Q and got a replacementĀ lock.Ā Easy to fit.Ā 30years isn't old.Ā Everyone is far to quick to say stuff is crackers and to bin stuff without even having a look at it.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted September 14 Author Report Share Posted September 14 37 minutes ago, Minky said: As above.Ā IĀ don't see any great problem there.Ā one of the daughters had a similar problem with her front door . We went to B&Q and got a replacementĀ lock.Ā Easy to fit.Ā 30years isn't old.Ā Everyone is far to quick to say stuff is crackers and to bin stuff without even having a look at it.Ā It's not just the lock though it's the whole mechanism that's given up the ghost. I've changed many a lock but not the mechanism. Did you change the lock or the mechanism š¤ I've never ventured into the door mechanism š¤ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 The gearboxes may just need lubing with some ptfe lubricating spray. My mates a locksmith and 9 times out of 10 you can get a few more years out of them Try searching for the lock make and see if you can get some diagrams . I would certainly be asking aboutĀ Regards Agriv8 Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted September 14 Author Report Share Posted September 14 10 minutes ago, Agriv8 said: The gearboxes may just need lubing with some ptfe lubricating spray. My mates a locksmith and 9 times out of 10 you can get a few more years out of them Try searching for the lock make and see if you can get some diagrams . I would certainly be asking aboutĀ Regards Agriv8 Ā I think I might strip it all down tomorrow and have a look inside š Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 Hello, I changed my Sons lock on his Ally door and that is years old, There should be Number/Numbers or Lock design info that is worth checking, I found a good Ironmonger that stocked lots of Lock about Ā£15 posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 i find it very difficult to believe that the locking mechanism is worn out.....more like it needs oiing/cleaning ..re-alighning......the lock barrel may be worn but not the mechanism .....i have the excact same doors (proberly older) and all that has been done to them is they have been re-alighned.....and lubed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted September 14 Author Report Share Posted September 14 3 minutes ago, ditchman said: i find it very difficult to believe that the locking mechanism is worn out.....more like it needs oiing/cleaning ..re-alighning......the lock barrel may be worn but not the mechanism .....i have the excact same doors (proberly older) and all that has been done to them is they have been re-alighned.....and lubed Last time we locked it we couldn't unlock it, when it finally unlocked with the key the door still would not open when the handle was down in the open position the catches were still holding the door locked with the sliding things. Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 Open, disassemble and spray with anything like WD40, get the built up gunge out and magically you should get another 3 or 4 years before it needs doing again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 I replaced just the gearbox on ours the sliding catches and mechanism was fine.Our door is about the same age took it to a lockshop and he had them in stock think it was about 35 pound re used the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted September 14 Author Report Share Posted September 14 21 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Open, disassemble and spray with anything like WD40, get the built up gunge out and magically you should get another 3 or 4 years before it needs doing again. I intend to strip it down tomorrow and have a look š Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 I worked in the manufacturing of UPVC products for almost 25 years, made all my own doors and windows. Ā My own are still working after 33 years! It is a French Door I see,and the lock mechanism may have failed,but there is usually an alternative that can fit though it will need new matching receivers etc, Someone should be able to source suitable parts and fit them for a couple of hundred,certainly shouldnāt need a whole door replacement at Ā£1,000 plus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted September 14 Author Report Share Posted September 14 20 minutes ago, wisdom said: I replaced just the gearbox on ours the sliding catches and mechanism was fine.Our door is about the same age took it to a lockshop and he had them in stock think it was about 35 pound re used the barrel. That sound like a good situation š see what I find tomorrow š 1 minute ago, TOPGUN749 said: I worked in the manufacturing of UPVC products for almost 25 years, made all my own doors and windows. Ā My own are still working after 33 years! It is a French Door I see,and the lock mechanism may have failed,but there is usually an alternative that can fit though it will need new matching receivers etc, Someone should be able to source suitable parts and fit them for a couple of hundred,certainly shouldnāt need a whole door replacement at Ā£1,000 plus! Clearly "my man" didn't want the job š š as I've said I will strip it down and see what happens. I didn't realise that the bits could be bought.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 5 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said: That sound like a good situation š see what I find tomorrow š Clearly "my man" didn't want the job š š as I've said I will strip it down and see what happens. I didn't realise that the bits could be bought.Ā Good luck with it,if you were local I would take a look. Get the cylinder and lock off,take photos,there are some available on eBay . Mine are āRotoā Another type are āFercoāĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 I had this with my GF's newly fitted uPvc door mechanism about ten years ago. They'd been installed for 3 years when the same thing happened,,,, intermittent opening/locking. Took the side bar off, and there was a broken metal piece inside the lock unit. Bought a matching side bar/lock from screwfix and it still works š Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 (edited) If its just a cylinder needed they are from Ā£6 at screwfix, but probably the locking mechanism,up to Ā£100. Edited September 14 by TOPGUN749 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted September 14 Author Report Share Posted September 14 I will post loads of pictures tomorrow š Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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harrycatcat1 Posted September 15 Author Report Share Posted September 15 15 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Open, disassemble and spray with anything like WD40, get the built up gunge out and magically you should get another 3 or 4 years before it needs doing again. Top marks go to "TIGHTCHOKE" I dismantled the mechanism sprayed with copious amounts of GT 85 and now it seems to work better but I think that I'd feel better replacing the "gearbox" if that's the term. Around these parts we would say about "TIGHTCHOKE" he's not as daft as he looks and that is meant as a compliment šššthanks again for everyone's assistance.Ā I am now on the search for a replacement "gearbox".Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 Screwfix do this,,,, https://www.screwfix.com/p/yale-doormaster-silver-gearbox-latch-deadbolt-50mm-case-35mm-backset/1373t Ā on this page,,,, Ā https://www.screwfix.com/search?search=Upvc+door+mechanism+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted September 15 Author Report Share Posted September 15 42 minutes ago, JKD said: Screwfix do this,,,, https://www.screwfix.com/p/yale-doormaster-silver-gearbox-latch-deadbolt-50mm-case-35mm-backset/1373t Ā on this page,,,, Ā https://www.screwfix.com/search?search=Upvc+door+mechanism+ Thanks for the links šI've slipped up really I should have taken some measurements of the existing lock before I put it back so that I can compare š Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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