Mice! Posted October 11 Report Share Posted October 11 Just seen the comments made by the Labour transport secretary, oh dear me, apparently comments were cleared earlier in the week? But it's gone very wrong with planned investment getting pulled and Downing Street distancing themselves from her,, WHOOPS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 That was over the P&O scenario. One catastrophe after another. They really are totally out of their depth, the lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 6 hours ago, Mice! said: Just seen the comments made by the Labour transport secretary, oh dear me, apparently comments were cleared earlier in the week? But it's gone very wrong with planned investment getting pulled and Downing Street distancing themselves from her,, WHOOPS! The comments would appear to have been made by several 'Labour Seniors', Louise Haigh (Transport Secretary), Angela Rayner (Deputy PM) and were encouraging consumers to 'boycott' P&O Ferries. Haigh has been 'reprimanded', but Rayner (who Starmer cannot sack) has not been mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: The comments would appear to have been made by several 'Labour Seniors', Louise Haigh (Transport Secretary), Angela Rayner (Deputy PM) and were encouraging consumers to 'boycott' P&O Ferries. Haigh has been 'reprimanded', but Rayner (who Starmer cannot sack) has not been mentioned. Missed thar whats the problem with P&O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 2 minutes ago, sam triple said: Missed thar whats the problem with P&O It relates to their 'hiring and firing' practices. This (in italics) from a news column (Daily Mail) today; There have been suggestion that Downing Street had carpeted the Transport Secretary to protect Ms Rayner. The pair both slated P&O's widely criticised actions in 2022 when it suddenly sacked 800 British seafarers and replaced them with cheaper staff mainly from overseas. In an ITV interview on Wednesday to announce new workers' rights, Ms Haigh said: 'I've been boycotting P&O Ferries for two and a half years and I'd encourage consumers to do the same. Google will give you more on P&O's actions which were 2 or 3 years ago now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: It relates to their 'hiring and firing' practices. This (in italics) from a news column (Daily Mail) today; There have been suggestion that Downing Street had carpeted the Transport Secretary to protect Ms Rayner. The pair both slated P&O's widely criticised actions in 2022 when it suddenly sacked 800 British seafarers and replaced them with cheaper staff mainly from overseas. In an ITV interview on Wednesday to announce new workers' rights, Ms Haigh said: 'I've been boycotting P&O Ferries for two and a half years and I'd encourage consumers to do the same. Google will give you more on P&O's actions which were 2 or 3 years ago now. Yes remember that happening , thought it may have been that P&O hadn’t given them any “ freebies” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 Never have such inept people occupied No10..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 Just heard Quataries own £39B Iin Sainsbury's shares they are now selling up because the new capital gains taxation , a company that was going to pump £1B into British ports has now pulled the plug , this along with another company that pulled £1B investment in North Sea oil and gas , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 It's not really surprising is it? You take a bunch of inept chancers who have never even had a proper job (most of them) and have spent the whole of their political careers doing precisely NOTHING. Then suddenly they are Cabinet Ministers running the country. You really couldn't make it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Then suddenly they are Cabinet Ministers running the country. Yes. When you invest in a business (e.g. savings, pensions, life assurance etc.), one of the things you look for is experience, track record of success, etc. It is a similar thing when a business invests in a country. Your 'due diligence' will want to know what track record is there? Are the management team experienced in this area? Do they have a clear strategy for an achievable ambition? Are they actually independent to make policy and not 'puppets' of others who pull the strings? Will the business environment they are looking to create (rules on businesses, employment, taxation etc.) be favourable to (our) business Then look at who we have now running the country - the answer is a "No" on almost every key question. Edited October 12 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 30 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Yes. When you invest in a business (e.g. savings, pensions, life assurance etc.), one of the things you look for is experience, track record of success, etc. It is a similar thing when a business invests in a country. Your 'due diligence' will want to know what track record is there? Are the management team experienced in this area? Do they have a clear strategy for an achievable ambition? Are they actually 'puppets' of others who pull the strings? Will the business environment they are looking to create (rules on businesses, employment, taxation etc.) be favourable to (our) business Then look at who we have now running the country - the answer is a "No" on almost every key question. Angela Raynor in particular seems to be blindly pursuing some sort of two dimensional 1960s style of socialism and class hatred Employers, Bad people Landlords, bad people Anyone with money, bad people (Except Lord Alli, it appears) Very Orwelllian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 12 Author Report Share Posted October 12 2 hours ago, sam triple said: Just heard Quataries own £39B Iin Sainsbury's shares they are now selling up because the new capital gains taxation , a company that was going to pump £1B into British ports has now pulled the plug , this along with another company that pulled £1B investment in North Sea oil and gas , The company that was going to invest a billion in the ports, actually own P&O that's what's kicked this off. P&O certainly weren't right in what they did, but you need to look at the bigger picture when this sort of investment is involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 I wonder what Two Tier and the Red Queen will balls up next..................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mice! said: The company that was going to invest a billion in the ports, actually own P&O that's what's kicked this off. P&O certainly weren't right in what they did, but you need to look at the bigger picture when this sort of investment is involved. Yes just read that . Doesn’t look like the by elections went to well for them either Edited October 12 by sam triple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 P&O storm in a tea cup and another example of the lack of experience of some of the new MP's. No doubt this will be turned around. Which ever way you look at it it's been a cracking start for Kier in the first 100 days. A few nay sayers and a bit of first term wobbles but overall great news for UK plc. The Holtec project is particularly exciting. Iberdola £12bn for East Anglia 2 off the Suffolk coast. All down to unlocking the wind auction. Orsted £8bn additional offshore wind investment. BW £300m for battery energy storage facility and EMR battery recycling centre both in Birmingham. Green Volt £2.5bn off shore floating turbines a world first. SeAh £225m Teeside turbine blades manufacturing plant. Holtec £335m in South Yorkshire for small and large advanced reactor testing, development and manufacture with Sheffield and Coventry research tech centres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Mice! said: The company that was going to invest a billion in the ports, actually own P&O that's what's kicked this off. P&O certainly weren't right in what they did, but you need to look at the bigger picture when this sort of investment is involved. P&O weren't right but they were days away from collapsing anyway so there was never going to be a happy outcome for the UK work force unfortunately. In politics, as in business, sometimes you have to live in the real world and do what is necessary. Then move on. Two and a half years later for a cabinet minister to be recommending to the public not to use a commercial company is just not acceptable behaviour and an abuse of office. Edited October 12 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 They, the Labour Government, are so far out of their depth it is getting embarrassing.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: They, the Labour Government, are so far out of their depth it is getting embarrassing.......................... Not apparently in everyone's views. From a post in this thread; "Which ever way you look at it it's been a cracking start for Kier in the first 100 days. A few nay sayers and a bit of first term wobbles but overall great news for UK plc." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Not apparently in everyone's views. From a post in this thread; "Which ever way you look at it it's been a cracking start for Kier in the first 100 days. A few nay sayers and a bit of first term wobbles but overall great news for UK plc." Yes, but Oowee is not of this planet............................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 4 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: They, the Labour Government, are so far out of their depth it is getting embarrassing.......................... yet the tories were doing such a good job voters couldn’t fire them fast enough! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 1 minute ago, clangerman said: yet the tories were doing such a good job No they weren't, we know that but Labour claimed (or at least implied) that they had the answers and would do better. So Labour now have to be judged on what they said they could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 7 minutes ago, Vince Green said: No they weren't, we know that but Labour claimed (or at least implied) that they had the answers and would do better. So Labour now have to be judged on what they said they could do. promising everything and delivering nothing is exactly how they all get in power why else do you think I’m a non voter! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 Peter Mandelson yesterday reported as saying we can soon start negotiations to rejoin the EU. Who does he think he is? A failed politician still refusing to accept that the public voted ( legally and democratically) to leave . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 12 minutes ago, Vince Green said: No they weren't, we know that but Labour claimed (or at least implied) that they had the answers and would do better. So Labour now have to be judged on what they said they could do. Labour promised "Change", but never actually said it would be for the better 🤦♂️🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 4 minutes ago, clangerman said: why else do you think I’m a non voter! lol Then you should not take part in the debate. No vote, no point of view 2 minutes ago, JKD said: Labour promised "Change", but never actually said it would be for the better 🤦♂️🤬 Yes you do have a valid point there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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