Tougher laws on buying knives online

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, They should do but it is so different in todays Society with many Households, Both Parents working, Schools doing what they can, Gang culture at an all time high, Grooming young people into their way of life  much of it Drug related, 

Are you making excuses for the parents?

[oldypigeonpopper]

13 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Are you making excuses for the parents?

Hello, While there are good Parents who make sure their children follow the right path in Society Some have no idea what their children get up to when not at home, It is a known fact many feel safer in a gang than their family especially in the teenage years

[TIGHTCHOKE]

11 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, While there are good Parents who make sure their children follow the right path in Society Some have no idea what their children get up to when not at home, It is a known fact many feel safer in a gang than their family especially in the teenage years

So it is the parents fault then for not having a good secure environment at home?

[Westley]

11 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

So it is the parents fault then for not having a good secure environment at home?

When parents are sending young children to school in nappies, expecting teachers to toilet train them, I think we have well and truly lost the plot. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

So it is the parents fault then for not having a good secure environment at home?

Hello, It goes far beyond a good home life, Watch the ITV Drama , Out There !!!!!, Our family know only to well as our older Sons girlfriend was murdered by her attacker with a knife when he was in his mid twenties , This was at her families wedding, As a parent you can do everything to look after family but unfortunately today is very different in teenage life

[dainty duck]

on every car boot and flea market  you can buy bundle's of carving knives and kitchen knives craft knives ,

will we need a licence for ever knife we own and will it have to be stamped with a serial number or the owners name ?

[Vince Green]

It was part of David Cameron's election manifesto in 2010 that anyone caught carrying a knife would get a mandatory jail sentence. 

As soon as he got into power the Civil Service told the Justice Secretary they wouldn't/couldn't  implement it because there wasn't enough court or prison capacity to allow that to happen. 

A big part of the problem in this country is the legal system. 

[Westley]

13 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

It was part of David Cameron's election manifesto in 2010 that anyone caught carrying a knife would get a mandatory jail sentence. 

As soon as he got into power the Civil Service told the Justice Secretary they wouldn't/couldn't  implement it because there wasn't enough court or prison capacity to allow that to happen. 

A big part of the problem in this country is the legal system. 

It certainly isn't a problem for those employed within it though  !

[JohnfromUK]

43 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

A big part of the problem in this country is the legal system.

Don't disagree, but I guess most of us on here carry a 'knife' from time to time.  I do.

On a normal day it's a very small 'multitool' type thing with around a 1 1/2" non locking blade and so UK 'everyday carry legal' as I understand the law.

If I'm out sporting (shooting, fishing), field work or similar 'shoot working party' stuff - I carry a Leatherman type tool - which is UK legal ONLY where there is a need for it (mainly as it has locking blades).

There must ne many thousands like me - which makes it very difficult to police even if they only check for legality and reason.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Don't disagree, but I guess most of us on here carry a 'knife' from time to time.  I do.

On a normal day it's a very small 'multitool' type thing with around a 1 1/2" non locking blade and so UK 'everyday carry legal' as I understand the law.

If I'm out sporting (shooting, fishing), field work or similar 'shoot working party' stuff - I carry a Leatherman type tool - which is UK legal ONLY where there is a need for it (mainly as it has locking blades).

There must ne many thousands like me - which makes it very difficult to police even if they only check for legality and reason.

But the VAST majority are law abiding citizens and should not be targeted using any new regulations.

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

But the VAST majority are law abiding citizens and should not be targeted using any new regulations.

Exactly - but for some reason that seems to present an impossible challenge to the law compilers.

[Vince Green]

Just now, Westley said:

It certainly isn't a problem for those employed within it though  !

No, it's a gravy train,  but the time and effort behind the scenes in preparing even a simple case for trial is immense 

Then the trial takes forever, it can take more than a day to select and swear in a jury before the trial even gets underway

 The amount of time wasting is actually quite obscene 

When the offender gets found guilty immediately his legal aid solicitor puts in an appeal. Then the whole circus starts all over again 

In America if you were caught with a knife in the wrong circumstances you would be in the slammer overnight and up in front of a judge the next morning, ten minutes later you would be on your way to jail

 That's what we need, instant walk in/ walk out justice

Edited 18 hours ago by Vince Green

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, Vince Green said:

No, it's a gravy train,  but the time and effort behind the scenes in preparing even a simple case for trial is immense 

Then the trial takes forever, it can take more than a day to select and swear in a jury before the trial even starts.

When the offender gets found guilty and immediately his legal aid solicitor puts in an appeal. Then the whole circus starts all over again 

In America if you were caught with a knife in the wrong circumstances you would be up in front of a judge the next morning and ten minutes later you would be on your way to jail

 That's what we need, instant walk in/ walk out justice

Or shot.

[Vince Green]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Or shot.

That's a real possibility too

[Scully]

I carry a UK legal knife everyday, anywhere I go. If I was travelling abroad I’d of course leave it at home, but otherwise it goes everywhere with me. It is transferred from one pair of trousers to another with my loose change and with as much thought. 
At work I carry a Leatherman multi tool and a Stanley, and my vehicle has in it hammers ( one of which is a Vaughan and is a beast ) chisels, screwdrivers etc etc. 

We need to hit hard those who carry such things for the wrong reasons, because there is no way any of us can stop them from doing so. 
The scum on trial today is also charged with the attempted murder of someone who tried to stop him, but that person who without doubt brave beyond belief, was prevented BY LAW of being able to offer an effective defence. 
When seconds count the police are minutes away. It is scandalous that this situation continues to exist in this day and age.  We should not be forced to tolerate this and continue  like this. 

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, Scully said:

I carry a UK legal knife everyday, anywhere I go. If I was travelling abroad I’d of course leave it at home, but otherwise it goes everywhere with me. It is transferred from one pair of trousers to another with my loose change and with as much thought. 
At work I carry a Leatherman multi tool and a Stanley, and my vehicle has in it hammers ( one of which is a Vaughan and is a beast ) chisels, screwdrivers etc etc. 

We need to hit hard those who carry such things for the wrong reasons, because there is no way any of us can stop them from doing so. 
The scum on trial today is also charged with the attempted murder of someone who tried to stop him, but that person who without doubt brave beyond belief, was prevented BY LAW of being able to offer an effective defence. 
When seconds count the police are minutes away. It is scandalous that this situation continues to exist in this day and age.  We should not be forced to tolerate this and continue  like this. 

/\ 100% agree

[Mice!]

6 hours ago, JKD said:

Too sensible surely 🙄 WH Smiths do similar with printer ink, so why stores/shops haven't done this with knives is stupid. But we all know it's not really going to make much difference 😕

Totally agree, if a kid wants a large knife then it's in the kitchen draw, but given the way things are I've no issues with taking a card to the desk.

Read elsewhere of more stabbings in Croydon today at an Asda?

[Westley]

3 hours ago, Vince Green said:

No, it's a gravy train,  but the time and effort behind the scenes in preparing even a simple case for trial is immense 

Then the trial takes forever, it can take more than a day to select and swear in a jury before the trial even gets underway

 The amount of time wasting is actually quite obscene 

When the offender gets found guilty immediately his legal aid solicitor puts in an appeal. Then the whole circus starts all over again 

In America if you were caught with a knife in the wrong circumstances you would be in the slammer overnight and up in front of a judge the next morning, ten minutes later you would be on your way to jail

 That's what we need, instant walk in/ walk out justice

ONE fee  ONE job would also help  !

[Mice!]

3 hours ago, Vince Green said:

America if you were caught with a knife in the wrong circumstances you would be in the slammer overnight and up in front of a judge the next morning, ten minutes later you would be on your way to jail

 That's what we need, instant walk in/ walk out justice

Take their benefits off them, I'd love to know the percentage of kids/ teenagers/ adults who SHOULD be stopped and searched who are found carrying something they shouldn't be that are on benefits.

They should bring stop and search back in right now, I couldn't care less if upsets people.

'Mum I got stopped walking home tonight by the police and searched'

'Mum two of my mates got stabbed outside the shop'

Those against the first seem to forget their at most risk.

[Westley]

1 minute ago, Mice! said:

Take their benefits off them, I'd love to know the percentage of kids/ teenagers/ adults who SHOULD be stopped and searched who are found carrying something they shouldn't be that are on benefits.

They should bring stop and search back in right now, I couldn't care less if upsets people.

'Mum I got stopped walking home tonight by the police and searched'

'Mum two of my mates got stabbed outside the shop'

Those against the first seem to forget their at most risk.

Rest assured that in all probability, the Mum (or Dad)  would be at the Police Station,  demanding to know WHY their little darling had been stopped. That's before the Race card comes into play. I am sorry to say Stop and Search is becoming a thing of the past, just too much hassle.

[Penelope]

29 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Read elsewhere of more stabbings in Croydon today at an Asda?

It's happening hourly across the country, you just don't hear about it.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, Penelope said:

It's happening hourly across the country, you just don't hear about it.

Yes, so often it is hardly newsworthy.

[Penelope]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Yes, so often it is hardly newsworthy.

Unless there is a death, exactly.

[JKD]

39 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Totally agree, if a kid wants a large knife then it's in the kitchen draw, but given the way things are I've no issues with taking a card to the desk.

Read elsewhere of more stabbings in Croydon today at an Asda?

No normal person would mind that process.

Link to the Croydon stabbings,,,,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn57y5yq164o

[Vince Green]

I regularly shop at that Asda because it's just up the road from the house still owned by my mother in law .

Actually the incident happened in the Amazon distribution centre just behind the Asda superstore