bignoel Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 i put in for a fac and doc signed as one reff and a friend of mine signed as a secound reff he is of good charecter a fireman never had police arrest never been in trouble ? and the f o rang and said doc was fine the land is fine but the secound reff was no good ? i have to get another before next friday as thats when he is doing his visit .now i cant understand why he was refused he has signed few shotti's and they went throu ? he has applied for a shotti for himself now suurely this is deffinition of charecter cant understand why he was refused .new reff has 24 years army weapons instructor rsm. o what happens after visit friday ,noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Thats a bit strange- Have a word with BASC they may be able to help. Regards starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 i was thinking along this line but i dont want to get the fo 's back up if basc badger him ,it is going to be interesting as my mate has applied for shotti to see the outcome..as soon as the visit is over i shall dig deeper as i dont want to put salt into wounds yet if you know what i mean.noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 The criteria for shottie ref's differs from that of FAC refs. For a FAC the ref needs to have a good 2 year+ knowledge of you and your domestic circumstances and answer questions in a way that gives an insight into your relationship with other members of your household... as one example. Yes and no answers, or ticks, or "as above" etc are not accepted. Dunno if that helps Noel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Very odd, unless your fireman has a case pending, or is under suspicion of something? Ask your FAO for the reason the next time that he calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 As Dave has said SGC refs need to be 'professional people', how you define that, may differ to how they do, but examples are Doctors, Managing Directors etc etc. In the good old days you could have had a word with your Bank Manager FAC is anyone who has known you for 2 years or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 As Dave has said SGC refs need to be 'professional people', how you define that, may differ to how they do, but examples are Doctors, Managing Directors etc etc.In the good old days you could have had a word with your Bank Manager FAC is anyone who has known you for 2 years or more. Doctor...as in one who got his medical degree 6 months before and was living in PAKISTAN! Managing Director...as in one from Litts! Why didn't you ask you FAO why the 2nd ref wasn't acceptable. These guys aren't aliens or devils, talk to them and you'll find they're really quite helpful. I know there are the odd ones who one could suspect of being 'anti' but on the whole... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 As Dave has said SGC refs need to be 'professional people', how you define that, may differ to how they do, but examples are Doctors, Managing Directors etc etc.In the good old days you could have had a word with your Bank Manager FAC is anyone who has known you for 2 years or more. Doctor...as in one who got his medical degree 6 months before and was living in PAKISTAN! Managing Director...as in one from Litts! Why didn't you ask you FAO why the 2nd ref wasn't acceptable. These guys aren't aliens or devils, talk to them and you'll find they're really quite helpful. I know there are the odd ones who one could suspect of being 'anti' but on the whole... You do have a very valid point there, there are frequently posts on here from those who seem to see their FAO as unapproachable, and if for any reason yours really is, phone police HQ and ask them. Essex HQ, for one, are always exceptionally helpful with any queries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 It'll purely be down to his supposed standing in the community, as said it differs for firearms application but for shotties there are different criteria, Herts used to send a list of acceptable professions out with the application form but I'm not sure if they still do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 i had one refused years ago. my neighbour signed it and guess what he did for a job. airline pilot for B.A. that was for shotty. ended up with doc who i had seen twice in 17 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I got a retired plod to do mine. So am I reading the above posts right then? For a shotgun certificate refs need to be "professional" people but for a firearms certificate, any old lag that you've known for 2 years will do So Mickey "Razors" McYobbo can sign an FAC, as long as he's never been nicked for any of his murders and bank robberies and he's been associated with the applicant for at least two crime-filled years. It's reassuring that the authorities have their finger on the pulse I can sleep easy in my bed knowing how the system works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmr Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 one off my references is a vicar who is also ex plod.cant be bad can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2shots Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I once had a referee refused because he had the same name as his, dad same address etc, he was ok but his dad had previous years ago for collecting birds eggs, the fo said it would be easier to find someone else as thier details were too similar and started the alarms ringing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I got a retired plod to do mine. So am I reading the above posts right then? For a shotgun certificate refs need to be "professional" people but for a firearms certificate, any old lag that you've known for 2 years will do So Mickey "Razors" McYobbo can sign an FAC, as long as he's never been nicked for any of his murders and bank robberies and he's been associated with the applicant for at least two crime-filled years. It's reassuring that the authorities have their finger on the pulse I can sleep easy in my bed knowing how the system works References are subject to a background check etc so you can rest assured that Mickey "Razors" would not be acceptable. The system is not as daft as you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 the reff in question has a realy clean slate his father died when he was young his brother is cleaner than the pope ? the fo told me steer clear of him .now could it be that he knows a known criminal and associate's with him as a friend . i was told the new reff has only got to know me 2 years and be of good character no need to be a proffessional . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 You may think you know all about your chosen reference provider, but you may not. The FO is unlikely to give you the exact reason for his unsuitability, as that information would be confidential. You have been "given the nod", so find someone else. Landowners/Farmers are usually very acceptable referees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 i have found someone else a r.s.m army buddy.just cant belive my mate is dodgy never gave me reason to think he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 May be because he is a public servant, since police cant be a reference aswell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) May be because he is a public servant, since police cant be a reference aswell! It's only police officers and (I believe) police staff that are not allowed. I work for the fire service and all my referees for SGC/FAC are fire officers with no problems of acceptance at all. Edited May 30, 2008 by DaveK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taz24 Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 There could be a hundred reasons why he was rejected, the police will have a reason and it could be for somthing that occured many many years ago. He might share a name with sombody who flags up or he might be known to assosiate with known names. You will never know. You could ask your FEO and he may answer, you could tell your friend that he was rejected and he may think about it for awhile and then say I wonder if it has owt to do with the time I went to the NatWest with that sawn off to make a withdrawl Cheers taz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted May 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 he has signed several for sgc and had no problems . ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 he should be able two do it, i have 2 mates at work that do mine each time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted June 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 he has his home visit tomorrow now for a sgc ? will he be refused as he was refused as a reff for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEINVISIBLESCARECROW Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Mine was a care worker (ex social worker) & her husband, a transport manager. The care worker signed my SGC 5 years before as a social worker. I can't confirm but I don't think they were contacted, they never mentioned & I've never asked. Two sgc renewals ago a school headmaster was asked to pop around to check my cab' on renewal. I regarded that as a chance to show gun responsability to my referee who hadn't a clue about guns. One of the reasons I joined a club as well as shooting vermin, on renewal the sec' can sign (not for a grant if a newbie is reading for info) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 well the fefused reff has now been granted his sgc .so cant be all that bad i am now totaly confused by the fao actions ? i feel a basc call comeing on soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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