Admiral Von Tirpitz Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Rabbit shooting a couple of nights ago and my mates Hatsun Escort seemed to fire off a shot when he was walking without he says having his finger on the trigger! He had just fired off two rounds and loaded it up with another, so it was running with two rounds loaded. Gun has otherwise been totally reliable. The gun was pointing exactly where it should of been, to the ground, so no harm done. Anyone had this happen on a Hatsun Escort or indeed a semi auto?? Suggestions please??? Or do you think finger may have been involved Admiral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 did he have his safety catch on . or maybe he tipt the trigger with his finger with out realiseing does happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 did he have his safety catch on . or maybe he tipt the trigger with his finger with out realiseing does happen. or maybe he tipt the trigger with his finger with out realiseing does happen. only once if you where in my company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 I have never heard of any semi auto firing without human intervention. I would guess the safety catch was off and your friend touched the trigger. Even that is strange, because most semis require a harder trigger pull than an o/u or sbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Get the gun to a smith before even thinking about using it. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Being honest going on what's been said here I don't think the problem lies with the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 good job he wasnt then mr markbivvy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 good job he wasnt then mr markbivvy. thats very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 i`ve owned an escort for a couple of years with no trouble, i can`t see this happening without human intervention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Rabbit shooting a couple of nights ago and my mates Hatsun Escort seemed to fire off a shot when he was walking without he says having his finger on the trigger! He had just fired off two rounds and loaded it up with another, so it was running with two rounds loaded. Gun has otherwise been totally reliable. The gun was pointing exactly where it should of been, to the ground, so no harm done. Anyone had this happen on a Hatsun Escort or indeed a semi auto?? Suggestions please??? Or do you think finger may have been involved Admiral At no time do you mention if the safety was on or not, unless you have mounted the gun and are about to pull the trigger the safety should be on, it should be on all the time, right up to that last moment of firing. Thats ALL OF THE TIME in case anyone misunderstood, whoever trained/guided/introduced your friend to shooting needs his a*se kicked for not doing the job thoroughly enough for it to be ingrained. I have no doubt, would put money on the safety being off. Sooner or later this kind of sloppymess comes round to bite you in the bum with dire and tragic consequences Im with Markbivvy on this and wouldnt have anyone in the same field with me who didnt follow basic safety rules. Recently in the news we heard of two young lads sharing a hide, one shot the other.... now if the safety was on until he pulled the trigger he could not have shot his friend, unless his friend leant out of the hide in front of the barrels 28" away? D2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Von Tirpitz Posted August 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Thanks for your replies gentlemen................very good words, one often forgets the dangers of guns, a wake up call is often a stitch in time...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 If it were me? I'd find some new shooting friends. Safety is always 1st - and I'll put my neck on the line and say, even more so with a semi auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Spud_ Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 With myself, the only time the safety ever comes off is just as i am about to shoot when the gun is mounted and pointing at the target. When I am moving between my hide and car or just moving I always unload the cart in the chamber and leave the two in the magazine (semi auto) as safety’s do not always work. I have 2 hatsan and never once had accidental firing, it must have been a wondering finger.. or the gun was hit very hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Rabbit shooting a couple of nights ago and my mates Hatsun Escort seemed to fire off a shot when he was walking without he says having his finger on the trigger! He had just fired off two rounds and loaded it up with another, so it was running with two rounds loaded. Gun has otherwise been totally reliable. The gun was pointing exactly where it should of been, to the ground, so no harm done. Anyone had this happen on a Hatsun Escort or indeed a semi auto?? Suggestions please??? Or do you think finger may have been involved Admiral this happened with my mate and he had the hatsan escort,safety catch was on safe and finger not on trigger,when the gun discharged it flew about six foot behind him,he took it back to the gunshop and they replaced it straight away. andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 (edited) Remember guys a safety catch won't stop a gun firing. A sharp blow can easily cause a discharge. Don't let the mear implementation of a safety catch do away with basic gun safety. FM Edited August 5, 2008 by Ferret Master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearandnoidea Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Does it just stop the trigger being pulled rather than preventing the firing pin from moving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Yes it does stop the trigger being pulled but shouldnt a sear come into play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 As safety is such an important issue and its raining, also not wanting to get it wrong I have got the books out and quote; "Safety catches.. the limitations of these devices cannot be too widely understood. In practically all boxlock guns, they merely bolt the triggers. When applied they do not uncock the hammers or do anything to prevent them from falling and firing the cartridge. Faulty construction or adjustments, undue wear, the intrusion of a particle of foreign matter or even a severe jolt are all capable of causing the inadvertent discharge of a boxlock gun at "safe". Sidelock guns are safer because their locks incorporate intercepting safety sears, which are designed to catch the hammers if they should fall unintentionally. But even intercepting sears are not infallible : the only safe gun is an unloaded gun... not merely a gun that was believed to be unloaded, but one that can be seen to be unloaded." So there you have it, also something I remembered reading from the back of the Eley diary when I was a boy..... "All the pheasants ever bred wont repay for one man dead" Something to think about when you are out with your mates and crossing fences, ditches etc, always break the barrels or take out the shell from the semi. D2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Its quite possible that the sear has a dodgy bit. I had to have a sear repair on my Rossini last week as it was not always catching back, and had the possibility of going off on its own. It can happen, so get it checked out pronto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 (edited) Could he have fouled he trigger with his clothing - a button maybe? I once saw a guy shoot himself through the hand when loading a flintlock Scottish pistol that had no trigger guard. He had the damned thing on full cock and it blew a great big hole in his right hand as the .75 bullet and ramrod went right through his palm and up in the air. Tough one that - he was a gunsmith. Fortunately, this fool had the gun pointed skywards there were dozens of people around at the time. When I was starting out it was impressed on me that you don't even close a shiotgun until you are ready to shoot. With a semi auto this is not possible, but presumably you can carry it without a round chambered and then cycle the gun when ready to fire. I would never trust a man who let of an accidental (negligent) discharge. It is a heinous offense in my book and is always avoidable. If the chamber /chambers are unloaded until ready to shoot, you're never going to have this potentially tragic experience. About thirty years ago a mate let of a twelve bore right behind me and blew a dirty great hole in the mud. The hole was less than a foot behind my leg. I was covered in mud, but otherwise very luckily undamaged. I still occasionally go out with this guy, but I have never trusted him since and watch him like a hawk. I could have been hobbling around with an artificial leg for the last thirty years. That would have been a truly life changing event. Unless I am shooting alone, I never walk with a round chambered and I never remove the safety catch unless a shot is imminent. Even alone, I unchamber loaded rounds before crossing a fence or a gate, or when in some situation where a fall is likely. I shoot in some rugged terrain so slipping is perfectly possible. Edited August 9, 2008 by Evilv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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