Nial Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I put 75 of these (28g 7.5s) through my gun yesterday during a quick clay shoot after work. The guy who runs the place laughed when I took them out and said they're a pile of (self moderated) poo. I could hardly hit a barn door, although I'll put that down to me, but when I got home it took me _ages_ getting all the crud out of the barrels. I still wasn't happy that they were clean when I finished but I just couldn't budge the worst of it over the first couple of inches. Do different cartridges foul the barrels differently? Are these notoriously bad for this? Thanks, Nial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 They are nasty punchy dirty cartridges, But they are dirt cheap If you want a cheap/decentish shell, Hull CompX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 (edited) Lots of people on here have been unhappy withg D&J, both for the reasons you are stating and because they seem to have caused extraction problems in some O/Us. I have used them in the past and found that they do the job of breaking clays well enough, but that they do seem to be unnaturally mucky. I too had bits I simply could not get off, which was annoying as I hate to put a gun away "dirty". I will never touch them again after reading this post from caplock: The major cause for concern was with the cartridge bases being pulled off when used in two different types of automatic. On one occasion the action cycled and the second shell almost reloaded completely pushing the previous now baseless hull fwd into the chamber/barrel. This was on a 3" chambered auto and I am convinced that had it been a 3.5" chamber as alot of the newer guns are the bolt would have closed ready for the next shot....... not good as it was being used by my eldest daughter as her clay gun at the time. Full Thread If you dont like them (and not many do), then the best thing to do is to avoid ZB Edited September 18, 2008 by Zapp Brannigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomleatel Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Don't say that. Just bought a 1000 for £125.00.. Basement bargin stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Don't say that. Just bought a 1000 for £125.00.. Basement bargin stuff DOH ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted September 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Thanks for the replies guys, good to know it's not just me. The guy who runs the clay place recommended the Hull Comp X's too, it looks like they're cheaper than the D&J ones. I bought 250 but I'm not sure if I want to put the rest through the gun if it's going to take as long to clean it. It's going to cost more than the price of replacements in cleaning products. :-( Nial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretman Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 thay are horible use claybusters thay are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 despite the warnings on this board I picked up a flat of D&J's 2 weeks ago. I don't shoot clays so I'm not putting tons of rounds down the barrel. But that said, I'm putting a fair number out at pigeons lately and they are dropping birds pretty well. I'm shooting the same 28g 7.5's and dropping birds at 40-ish yards. Even though they are a smaller shot and a slower load, they are doing the job just fine. At £34 a flat for fiber, I'll stick with them for now. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Basement bargin stuff I wonder why I am fairly sure it was one of those that the plastic seperated from the brass in PUSC's gun at Bisley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Yep thats what happened with PUSC's gun at Bisley and is the reason I won't touch them. Likewise with CCI Claybusters, I've seen too many not go off because the primer wasnt properly seated and it gets crushed as the gun was closed. Just last week I saw one mangled shell get extracted out the gun after a dull report and the shot only travelling 25m. This also left the wad jammed halfway down the barrel. When I have cut open the misfires the shot quality was poor. It had everything from 9's to 5's in a supposedly 7.5ss load. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisondan Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I'm currently shooting Gamebore White Gold XLR's in 7.5's and 8's fibre-wad. Pretty good shell, fouling isn't too bad and I've broken clays at 40 metres with them. £158/1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 (edited) Are these notoriously bad for this? They are widely known as "Dirty Jammers" ! Edited September 18, 2008 by LV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Don't say that. Just bought a 1000 for £125.00.. Basement bargin stuff £31.25/250 for plastic that's not really a bargain, i bought 250 Eley Firsts in plastic a few weeks back and they were £32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 d@j carts are very good i bought a load of them,and hit well with them, iv none left now and cant get them round here.nothing wrong with them, if you cant hit with them,some thing wrong.id buy a 1,000 if i could get them here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 filthy cartridges. i had 500 of them (as they say 'get what you pay for' ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Just cartridges CSP are very good, and cheapish too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretman Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Yep thats what happened with PUSC's gun at Bisley and is the reason I won't touch them. Likewise with CCI Claybusters, I've seen too many not go off because the primer wasnt properly seated and it gets crushed as the gun was closed. Just last week I saw one mangled shell get extracted out the gun after a dull report and the shot only travelling 25m. This also left the wad jammed halfway down the barrel. When I have cut open the misfires the shot quality was poor. It had everything from 9's to 5's in a supposedly 7.5ss load. FM i have shot 1000s of clay busters and never had a prob,its every1 to there sen with carts ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Just cartridges CSP are very good, and cheapish too I'll second that I know a few lads that shoot FITASC with these carts, to very VERY good effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 I put tens of thousands of D & J's through my guns when they were cheap, never had a problem. The only reason I don't buy them now is that they're not cheap any more. I'm not saying they're good quality cartridges, but there's plenty worse and they're OK for practice. When cartridges started going up sharply in price, D&J's seemed to go up even sharper than most, soon making them the same price as much better cartridges, so obviously I stopped using them. If they were still cheap, I would use them for practice - no problem. There's a lot of mincing tripe written about cartridges - take it with a large pinch of salt. However, if you are looking for a GOOD cartridge for serious shooting - don't buy D & J's, because they aren't good, just OK for arseing about with, and doing some lightweight practice or social clay shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden22 Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 (edited) . Edited November 18, 2008 by Maiden22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 So what are you saying Chard - you like them cheap and dirty? Robert Absolutely. There's nothing I like better than shooting my load with something filthy and cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden22 Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 (edited) . Edited November 18, 2008 by Maiden22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
googlehead1 Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 How about olympic traps? I got them £13 per 100. Good price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 I did not really believe people who said some cartrdges were good and some no good ...but after trying a few boxes of D&J I see what they mean ... either utter rubbish (for which I cannot explain) or they don't suit my gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 How about olympic traps? I got them £13 per 100. Good price? I caught a dose from them once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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